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Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

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Snarly said:
This contract I try to tell people in real life how it works and they always say something about how we have to trade T.T for D. Wade. Drunk or not thank god this site i can look forward to and come home to.
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In their defense, the salary cap and CBA can be confusing to people who don't pay close attention to it. There are some media members who don't even know the entire thing.

Now, the ones who come up to me and just insist that they know what they're talking about are the ones that are annoying.
 
CavsRules said:
In their defense, the salary cap and CBA can be confusing to people who don't pay close attention to it. There are some media members who don't even know the entire thing.

Now, the ones who come up to me and just insist that they know what they're talking about are the ones that are annoying.
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Yeah that is this kind of guy. No one gets this contract there or how to use it. As for the CBA yeah I do not get it 100% at all.
 
iWx said:
I can't think of one good reason why I would root for Aldridge to go to the Spurs. If Aldridge is dead set on going to Spurs than yea I would use it if it upgraded us the best but I would rather see Aldridge go somewhere else even if it means we don't get as good of a return.

Even if we were fully healthy I am not sure we could beat a Spurs team with Aldridge in 7 games.
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I had asked for the specific team salary numbers, including cap holds, on San Antonio's books. Steve Kyler tweeted them out earlier today, and assuming they are correct, and they probably are because his team is good about these things at Basketball Insiders, Duncan and Ginobili would have to be playing on maybe $3M or so each (assuming one was res-signed using the room MLE and the other with the cap space not needed for Aldridge's max contract).

View: https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/614855288928215040


And that would mean renouncing Danny Green, Cory Joseph, Marco Belinelli, and Aron Baynes. If they dump Splitter and Patty Mills on the Cavs, they clear $12M more, giving them $34.5M in capspace, which they could use to sign Aldridge to a max contract ($19M), plus re-sign Duncan, Ginobili, and one of their free agents (presumably Joseph since they would be losing Mills, as well as because his cap hold is low enough that they could retain his Bird rights before re-signing him, allowing them to go over the cap). Then maybe you could re-sign Belinelli (though not Green) using the room MLE. Or another free agent on the open market. But the math here is really tight to keep Duncan, Ginobili, Joseph, and Belinelli.

The team's vaunted depth, so important for an aging team, would be severely affected. Given that the old big 3 would be another year older, I don't see this team as a particular threat. I wouldn't pick them in the West, and I certainly wouldn't worry about strengthening a potential adversary if I were the Cavs.

It's tough to go the "build capspace" route in building a team, since you typically need to decimate your depth to do so, and it usually takes a year or two to build up the bench again. Miami of course made it work, but they were able to sign the clear cut best player in the game, which Aldridge obviously is not.

Maybe I am missing something though, so please others chime in if I am.
 
iWx said:
I can't think of one good reason why I would root for Aldridge to go to the Spurs. If Aldridge is dead set on going to Spurs than yea I would use it if it upgraded us the best but I would rather see Aldridge go somewhere else even if it means we don't get as good of a return.

Even if we were fully healthy I am not sure we could beat a Spurs team with Aldridge in 7 games.
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They would be without Splitter, Mills, and Green presumably. They would be a tough out and more talented certainly, but how many minutes are Duncan and Parker going to be able to handle? Their depth will take a huge hit if they lose all three of Splitter, Mills, and Green and have to replace them with vet min players.
 
Northstar said:
They would be without Splitter, Mills, and Green presumably. They would be a tough out and more talented certainly, but how many minutes are Duncan and Parker going to be able to handle? Their depth will take a huge hit if they lose all three of Splitter, Mills, and Green and have to replace them with vet min players.
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That's right, but on the other hand, they have to be thinking, the team we had this year, for whatever reason, wasn't good enough, and we need to add another major piece, and we don't have the luxury of waiting another year when the cap explodes because Duncan could retire and Parker is getting old. So we have to make a move now, and an all star caliber player is available, and he may want to play for us. So it makes sense that they would go this route.

The collateral damage to their depth is significant, but perhaps manageable. Aldridge takes Splitter's spot in the rotation. They have another solid PG on the roster in Joseph as protection for losing Mills. Green is the one guy they really don't have a solution for as a replacement, an elite 3 and D guy. The depth bigs -- Baynes, Ayres, Bonner -- maybe one of them is willing to re-sign cheap. (I mean, Bonner would, but I don't know that you want him at this point.)

Trading with the Cavs makes a lot of sense for them, because the Cavs would be willing to take Splitter and Mills on without asking for any sweetener (a future pick or two), which any team under the cap would ask for. In fact, the Cavs might be willing to add Sasha Kaun's rights to the hopper, if the Spurs were interested and felt they could actually sign him.

I think this hypothetical trade makes total sense for both teams. I mean, I still think they would need to make a separate trade with Splitter, since he can't back up LeBron, but they might be able to do that. He is a good player and should have some trade value.
 
kovanovich said:
I had asked for the specific team salary numbers, including cap holds, on San Antonio's books. Steve Kyler tweeted them out earlier today, and assuming they are correct, and they probably are because his team is good about these things at Basketball Insiders, Duncan and Ginobili would have to be playing on maybe $3M or so each (assuming one was res-signed using the room MLE and the other with the cap space not needed for Aldridge's max contract).

View: https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/614855288928215040


And that would mean renouncing Danny Green, Cory Joseph, Marco Belinelli, and Aron Baynes. If they dump Splitter and Patty Mills on the Cavs, they clear $12M more, giving them $34.5M in capspace, which they could use to sign Aldridge to a max contract ($19M), plus re-sign Duncan, Ginobili, and one of their free agents (presumably Joseph since they would be losing Mills, as well as because his cap hold is low enough that they could retain his Bird rights before re-signing him, allowing them to go over the cap). Then maybe you could re-sign Belinelli (though not Green) using the room MLE. Or another free agent on the open market. But the math here is really tight to keep Duncan, Ginobili, Joseph, and Belinelli.

The team's vaunted depth, so important for an aging team, would be severely affected. Given that the old big 3 would be another year older, I don't see this team as a particular threat. I wouldn't pick them in the West, and I certainly wouldn't worry about strengthening a potential adversary if I were the Cavs.

It's tough to go the "build capspace" route in building a team, since you typically need to decimate your depth to do so, and it usually takes a year or two to build up the bench again. Miami of course made it work, but they were able to sign the clear cut best player in the game, which Aldridge obviously is not.

Maybe I am missing something though, so please others chime in if I am.
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There's no way those cap hold numbers can be correct. 525K for guys that made millions the year before? EDIT: Nevermind, I see that the second column is mislabeled as 2015-16, and the first column has the right numbers.

Anyways, the Spurs would clearly have to dump guys to clear space if LMA is willing to come (which I'm pretty sure is the commitment they are waiting to get before they execute a trade). The talk has been that both Duncan and Ginobli would get 2 years deals with the second year partially guaranteed so that basically they could pay those guys less for this year but send them off into retirement with a golden parachute that makes up for things (2 years/$12 mil with $9 mil guaranteed is the rumored deal for Duncan).

You're right that they would lose most of their depth, but the whole reason for trying to get a guy like LMA is to set yourself up for the future with a big three of Parker, Kawhi, and LMA (at least for the next few seasons until Parker is put out to pasture). So they probably hope that next year they can make a miracle run in Duncan and Manu's last year, and then use the space you get from them leaving plus the huge bump from the TV money to rebuild your depth.
 
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Those $525,000 cap holds are based on if the Spurs renounce those players and forfeit their bird rights and the ability to go over the salary cap to re-sign them after they added a player like Aldridge for example.
 
If we can get Green and Mills for Haywood that would be the perfect situation.
 
There would be plenty of teams happily paying around $15 Million for Green. He is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and is ace from the three point range. Arguably the best 3 & D guy in the league. No way, we can get him for Haywood's contract.
 
abrahavt said:
If we can get Green and Mills for Haywood that would be the perfect situation.
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Unfortunately no. We can only sign and trade our own players, we can't receive a player off of a sign and trade (Green is a free agent).
 
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I dont know if anyone caught the tidbit from Pluto, and not sure if it is accurate. But he said the Haywood contract could be exchanged for as much as a players or players making 14 million? I thought it was a little over 12.
 
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ajz20 said:
I dont know if anyone caught the tidbit from Pluto, and not sure if it is accurate. But he said the Haywood contract could be exchanged for as much as a players or players making 14 million? I thought it was a little over 12.
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125% plus $100k

so he makes 10,522,500 x 1.25 = 13,190,625 + 100k =

$13,290,625

This is the exact amount we can take back
 
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