Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

[ajz20]

We lost the NBA finals in 6 games with no Irving or Love.

Something tells me that adding those guys and subtracting J.R. Smith won't change the fact that we can absolutely win a title with that roster.

Also something to remember---Tristan and Kyrie and even Shump are all pretty young and can all improve a lot next year which would be a huge boost just by virtue of not having to do anything besides grow organically.

Agree we are still a very good team without Smith, but our bench (if we only sign vet minimum guys) and lose him would be very weak. Another year of relying on Andy to stay healthy and big minutes from Deli and James Jones would be a disaster. Lebron and Irving would be forced to play way too many minutes, I would not be happy with that scenario you painted one bit. That being said, I do see us being aggressive and adding 2 key bench players in July, but I do hope JR is back! JR came up big vs the Bulls and Hawks and really took our offense to the next level.

Every year that Lebron ages, we will need the other players to play at a higher level. We saw earlier in the year that Irving, James and Love are not enough if the role players dont produce. You dont want to kill the starters because you have a weak bench and let that cost you a championship.

 

[Paul]

Agree we are still a very good team without Smith, but our bench (if we only sign vet minimum guys) and lose him would be very weak. Another year of relying on Andy to stay healthy and big minutes from Deli and James Jones would be a disaster. Lebron and Irving would be forced to play way too many minutes, I would not be happy with that scenario you painted one bit. That being said, I do see us being aggressive and adding 2 key bench players in July, but I do hope JR is back! JR came up big vs the Bulls and Hawks and really took our offense to the next level.

Every year that Lebron ages, we will need the other players to play at a higher level. We saw earlier in the year that Irving, James and Love are not enough if the role players dont produce. You dont want to kill the starters because you have a weak bench and let that cost you a championship.

One possibility might be trying to replace JR with 2 players. Maybe we could have a SG who we can grab for a min contract or the Haywood contract and then also a taller SF guy who's either from a min contract or the MLE or part of the Haywood deal. That would also help our depth, as we will still have a few relatively useless pieces in JJ, Miller and Joe Harris and maybe one of our 2nd rounders.

The Celtics will probably be looking to move a guard or SF.

Maybe Griffin can get Blatt one of his old players from overseas.

I'd not be surprised to see at least one of these guys on the Cavs next year: Beno Udrih, Omri Casspi, Joe Ingles. I don't think Casspi played for Blatt but he's from Israel and you'd think a chance to play on the Cavs plus be coached by Blatt would interest him. I think we could realistically get one of those names for the vet minimum. It might be a way to see if Blatt can get anything more out of them the way Timo blossomed and plus you'd think they'd do better just being with LeBron. It might also help change the team dynamic where there were more players in Blatt's camp. If Gilbert and Griffin like Blatt and want to stick with him, it would make sense to maybe bring in players who would respect Blatt and maybe shift the team perceptions of him. That said, I don't know whether Joe Ingles liked Blatt or not but I believe Blatt coached him in Tel Aviv. Udrih I've seen quoted as liking Blatt as a coach.

 

[ajz20]

Agree we are still a very very good team without Smith, but our bench (if we only sign vet minimum guys) and lose him would be very weak. Another year of relying on Andy to stay healthy and big minutes from Deli and James Jones would be a disaster. Lebron and Irving would be foreced to play way too many minutes, I would not be happy with that scenario you painted one bit. That being said, I do see us being agressive and adding 2 key bench players in July, but I do hope JR is back!

One possibility might be trying to replace JR with 2 players. Maybe we could have a SG who we can grab for a min contract or the Haywood contract and then also a taller SF guy who's either from a min contract or the MLE or part of the Haywood deal. That would also help our depth, as we will still have a few relatively useless pieces in JJ, Miller and Joe Harris and maybe one of our 2nd rounders.

The Celtics will probably be looking to move a guard or SF.

Maybe Griffin can get Blatt one of his old players from overseas.

I'd not be surprised to see at least one of these guys on the Cavs next year: Beno Udrih, Omri Casspi, Joe Ingles. I don't think Casspi played for Blatt but he's from Israel and you'd think a chance to play on the Cavs plus be coached by Blatt would interest him. I think we could realistically get one of those names for the vet minimum. It might be a way to see if Blatt can get anything more out of them the way Timo blossomed and plus you'd think they'd do better just being with LeBron. It might also help change the team dynamic where there were more players in Blatt's camp. If Gilbert and Griffin like Blatt and want to stick with him, it would make sense to maybe bring in players who would respect Blatt and maybe shift the team perceptions of him. That said, I don't know whether Joe Ingles liked Blatt or not but I believe Blatt coached him in Tel Aviv. Udrih I've seen quoted as liking Blatt as a coach.

Well we have the mini-mid level, but some of the media are starting to drop hints (not that I trust them) that it may prove to be way too much to use. With our situation the min mid level will cost Gilbert over 12 million next year. I think we will use it, but I dont know that is 100 percent a sure thing depending upon who we can get. Then what you have left are your vet minimums, bottom of the roster guys. Replacing JR would be a more difficult then many realize.

 

[supermario21]

Forget LeBron's return. The ovation assfingers would get on opening night...

 

[Paul]

Well we have the mini-mid level, but some of the media are starting to drop hints (not that I trust them) that it may prove to be way too much to use. With our situation the min mid level will cost Gilbert over 12 million next year. I think we will use it, but I dont know that is 100 percent a sure thing depending upon who we can get. Then what you have left are your vet minimums, bottom of the roster guys. Replacing JR would be a more difficult then many realize.

It won't be easy and maybe the Cavs will bring back JR even if it means paying him 7 or 8 mil a year for 3 years. The team will try and cut some corners here and there to lower Gilbert's burden but we do also need depth, as we saw during the playoffs. With any luck we won't have 3 guys hurt next playoffs but I think you almost have to assume Andy will be out again and it's certainly possible that Love or Kyrie are hurt again. We may not be able to get anything but role players but at least with a bit more depth we wouldn't have had to play our role players so many minutes. Fresher role players might have played a bit better.

 

[Mdog1]

Well we have the mini-mid level, but some of the media are starting to drop hints (not that I trust them) that it may prove to be way too much to use. With our situation the min mid level will cost Gilbert over 12 million next year. I think we will use it, but I dont know that is 100 percent a sure thing depending upon who we can get. Then what you have left are your vet minimums, bottom of the roster guys. Replacing JR would be a more difficult then many realize.

Another way to look at it is, if we don't use the MLE, LeBron will most likely be pretty openly pissed off about it like in Miami. The way he is doing contracts, he could up and leave.

 

[spydy13]

Well we have the mini-mid level, but some of the media are starting to drop hints (not that I trust them) that it may prove to be way too much to use. With our situation the min mid level will cost Gilbert over 12 million next year. I think we will use it, but I dont know that is 100 percent a sure thing depending upon who we can get. Then what you have left are your vet minimums, bottom of the roster guys. Replacing JR would be a more difficult then many realize.

I think if we brought everyone back and used the Haywood deal then we might not use the MLE, but maybe they are looking to see what they can get for the Haywood deal and the MLE then decide whether or not they want to bring back JR.

Haywood + MLE would be cheaper than Haywood + JR, and you wouldn't have to deal with the possibility of JR blowing up at some point. I think the fact that I doubt other teams will be running out to offer JR a big deal allows us time to take the best course of action.

 

[Snarly]

This contract I try to tell people in real life how it works and they always say something about how we have to trade T.T for D. Wade. Drunk or not thank god this site i can look forward to and come home to.

 

[*L-Train*]

Few teams in the new NBA are starved for cap relief, and that has sucked away most of the trade value that expiring contracts once carried. Everyone will have room when the cap skyrockets next summer, and most contracts under the new collective bargaining agreement are so short, teams can see their expiration date from the moment they are signed

Teams used to flip expiring contracts for good players who were on long-term deals and no longer fit their teams, but there just aren’t many of those anymore

Teams always have the stretch provision in the bag if they really want to dump someone and can’t find a trade they like

those are quotes from Zach Lowe's latest article about Hibbert and they also apply to Haywood. imo it's really tough to come up with trade ideas for that contract. one of the few teams that make sense as a trade partner (they have the payroll and the type of players the Cavs need) is Denver but they would probably ask for a lot to get rid of Chandler (league wide he's probably the best realistic option when it comes to that contract) or Gallinari.

 

[BimboColesHair]

those are quotes from Zach Lowe's latest article about Hibbert and they also apply to Haywood. imo it's really tough to come up with trade ideas for that contract. one of the few teams that make sense as a trade partner (they have the payroll and the type of players the Cavs need) is Denver but they would probably ask for a lot to get rid of Chandler (league wide he's probably the best realistic option when it comes to that contract) or Gallinari.

Expiring contracts this year effect the off-season next year. Haywood's effects this years off-season right away and under next years similar sized cap space to this past season. Those quotes having nothing to do with Haywood, as it is a completely different scenario all-together.

 

[Surge]

This contract I try to tell people in real life how it works and they always say something about how we have to trade T.T for D. Wade. Drunk or not thank god this site i can look forward to and come home to.

Lol you're killing it lately...

By "it" I mean the English language.

 

[*L-Train*]

Expiring contracts this year effect the off-season next year. Haywood's effects this years off-season right away and under next years similar sized cap space to this past season. Those quotes having nothing to do with Haywood, as it is a completely different scenario all-together.

Few teams in the new NBA are starved for cap relief

this applies to teams this offseason as well (as i pointed out very few teams have a super high payroll and at the same time the type of players the Cavs need)

Teams used to flip expiring contracts for good players who were on long-term deals and no longer fit their teams, but there just aren’t many of those anymore

i agree with him. like i said it's really tough to come up with players (SFs, PGs) that would make sense as trade targets for the Cavs (there are lots of solid players that would help on teams with low payrolls but why would they get rid of them for cap relief?)


the one realistic trade idea i've seen so far (and it has been floating around ever since reports came out that the Spurs would go after Aldridge) is Splitter and fillers for Haywood and that one doesn't even make a ton of sense to me unless Splitter goes to a 3rd team and the Cavs get back a player who fills a need. we can talk about Dan Gilbert spending money all we want but would he spend 9Mio (AND TONS of tax money) on a C who would basically never play unless TT or Mozgov get injured (and that's assuming we get absolutely nothing from Varejao next year).

 

[BimboColesHair]

this applies to teams this offseason as well (as i pointed out very few teams have a super high payroll and at the same time the type of players the Cavs need)



i agree with him. like i said it's really tough to come up with players (SFs, PGs) that would make sense as trade targets for the Cavs (there are lots of solid players that would help on teams with low payrolls but why would they get rid of them for cap relief?)


the one realistic trade idea i've seen so far (and it has been floating around ever since reports came out that the Spurs would go after Aldridge) is Splitter and fillers for Haywood and that one doesn't even make a ton of sense to me unless Splitter goes to a 3rd team and the Cavs get back a player who fills a need. we can talk about Dan Gilbert spending money all we want but would he spend 9Mio (AND TONS of tax money) on a C who would basically never play unless TT or Mozgov get injured (and that's assuming we get absolutely nothing from Varejao next year).

My issue is that that article is about Roy Hibbert. He is under a fully guaranteed contract for next season. The scenario being laid out is that no one is in a market to acquire a big expiring contract right now for next year because of the cap spike that is coming, and expiring contracts will not be valuable this off season because they will not be valuable at the trade deadline like they always are because said looming cap spike, so why would anyone want to carry that extra cap/spend the roster spot.

That is not similar to Haywood's situation at all. He doesn't cost a roster spot and won't cost any money to keep, period. His money comes off the books right away, unlike Hibbert or other expiring for this year.

I'm not trying to say that there is an abundance of options available for Haywood's deal, just that the 2 situations aren't tied together or the same.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Ultimately, the team that gets LMA is likely the candidate for Haywood.

The Spurs seem like the best trade partner in that regard, so Cavs fans should root for Aldridge to go there if they want to see it used.

Chandler is my favorite player that would fit in to the contract but I would assume Denver (additionally) wants a #1 for him. We don't really have an attractive draft asset, so that could hang up any deal for him.

Should be interesting to see what happens next week.

 

[iWx]

Ultimately, the team that gets LMA is likely the candidate for Haywood.

The Spurs seem like the best trade partner in that regard, so Cavs fans should root for Aldridge to go there if they want to see it used.

I can't think of one good reason why I would root for Aldridge to go to the Spurs. If Aldridge is dead set on going to Spurs than yea I would use it if it upgraded us the best but I would rather see Aldridge go somewhere else even if it means we don't get as good of a return.

Even if we were fully healthy I am not sure we could beat a Spurs team with Aldridge in 7 games.