Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

[ajz20]

125% plus $100k

so he makes 10,522,500 x 1.25 = 13,190,625 + 100k =

$13,290,625

This is the exact amount we can take back

What if Joe Harris is attached?

 

[Lee]

I don't know. I think Dan is thinking that the tax would only kill us for 2 years before a chance to rewrite the CBA. And to have one of the greatest NBA teams of all time to be honest.

Any contract you multiply by 3, and is JR someone you spend over 20 million for? It kind of gets crazy and we are acting like its monopoly money, but it is real money and I am afraid something will give.

That said, we are 8 deep right now if healthy and everyone comes back, 9 if Jones comes back and you count him. Add lets say Butler and MO, now we are 11 deep.

At some point something gives when it is just depth, we will have more depth than last year, and even with losing 3 starters for the season, we came within 2 victories of winning it all.

In the end, you need Lebron, Irving and Love to stay healthy even if we keep adding depth. Would Mo Williams and Butler been enough to overcome the loss of AV, Love and Irving against GS? Probably not.

 

[Lee]

What if Joe Harris is attached?

add 845,058 x 1.25 = 1,056,323 + 13,290,625 =

$14,346,948

 

[jason436]

If Love is truly back and commits early, we can look to help a team that is chasing Aldridge, Jordan etc that may not have enough cap space. We had to play the game last summer to create space for Lebron, so maybe with the willingness to take on a less friendly contract and a team looking to add a star we could also add some future assets too.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

add 845,058 x 1.25 = 1,056,323 + 13,290,625 =

$14,346,948

Posted something similar in another thread, but very relevant to this discussion. I think if we get something of substance from Haywood it will require a three team deal. As others have mentioned, teams pursuing the likes of LMA are the ones that we need to target with Hawywood's deal. Obviously the Spurs have been discussed more than anyone else here.

The Spurs have a very complex situation with the number of free agents they have. Leonard will get a max deal. Green is going to be looking for a significant raise. I don't know how they'd be able to do both AND sign Aldridge, given that Corey Joseph, Duncan, and Ginobili are free agents as well. They either have to trade some guys or renounce the rights of their own free agents before they could free up the necessary space for Aldridge. Green seems to be the most likely FA that could be shipped out.

The team I'm looking at that makes the most sense to me is Charlotte for a variety of reasons.

1) After the draft and a couple trades, Charlotte are a bit crowded at SF, PF, and C. They currently have all of these guys under contract for next season: (SF) Batum, MKG (PF/C) Williams, Jefferson, Zeller, Kaminsky, Hawes. This isn't including Biyombo who could potentially be back as well. Given the fact that their guards other than Walker are pretty awful, I could see them shipping one (or more) player to acquire a starting SG.

2) As mentioned previously, they're in need of a quality starter at SG. Danny Green would seem to be a tremendous fit alongside Walker. Add in his UNC roots and this would be a great landing spot.

This could be a bit complex and I have no idea if this is actually possible given everyone's cap situations, but it seems to make sense for all parties. This is also hoping we get that wink-and-a-nod that Miller is retiring. If that were the case we'd be sending out $14.2 mill. If Green got the $10-$12 mill he's reportedly asking for, SAS would be sending out between $13.3-$15.3 mill.

Cavs get:
Williams
Mills

Hornets get:
Green

Spurs get:
Haywood
Harris
Miller

Truthfully though, I don't know if SAS is just better off letting Green walk and then trying to deal Mills and Splitter in a salary dump. Maybe someone could shed some light on that.

 

[spydy13]

Posted something similar in another thread, but very relevant to this discussion. I think if we get something of substance from Haywood it will require a three team deal. As others have mentioned, teams pursuing the likes of LMA are the ones that we need to target with Hawywood's deal. Obviously the Spurs have been discussed more than anyone else here.

The Spurs have a very complex situation with the number of free agents they have. Leonard will get a max deal. Green is going to be looking for a significant raise. I don't know how they'd be able to do both AND sign Aldridge, given that Corey Joseph, Duncan, and Ginobili are free agents as well. They either have to trade some guys or renounce the rights of their own free agents before they could free up the necessary space for Aldridge. Green seems to be the most likely FA that could be shipped out.

The team I'm looking at that makes the most sense to me is Charlotte for a variety of reasons.

1) After the draft and a couple trades, Charlotte are a bit crowded at SF, PF, and C. They currently have all of these guys under contract for next season: (SF) Batum, MKG (PF/C) Williams, Jefferson, Zeller, Kaminsky, Hawes. This isn't including Biyombo who could potentially be back as well. Given the fact that their guards other than Walker are pretty awful, I could see them shipping one (or more) player to acquire a starting SG.

2) As mentioned previously, they're in need of a quality starter at SG. Danny Green would seem to be a tremendous fit alongside Walker. Add in his UNC roots and this would be a great landing spot.

This could be a bit complex and I have no idea if this is actually possible given everyone's cap situations, but it seems to make sense for all parties. This is also hoping we get that wink-and-a-nod that Miller is retiring. If that were the case we'd be sending out $14.2 mill. If Green got the $10-$12 mill he's reportedly asking for, SAS would be sending out between $13.3-$15.3 mill.

Cavs get:
Williams
Mills

Hornets get:
Green

Spurs get:
Haywood
Harris
Miller

Truthfully though, I don't know if SAS is just better off letting Green walk and then trying to deal Mills and Splitter in a salary dump. Maybe someone could shed some light on that.

I don't think they would go through all that. I'm sure they realize that if they want Aldrige they are going to have let some guys go in FA and dump some guys (Splitter and Mills) to clear enough room. Now, could it end up being a three team deal where we route Splitter somewhere else for a different piece? Sure. But all that trade nets them is 3.5 mil of extra space eaten up by guys they probably don't want in Miller and Harris. Mind as well just keep Mills if that's the case.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I don't think they would go through all that. I'm sure they realize that if they want Aldrige they are going to have let some guys go in FA and dump some guys (Splitter and Mills) to clear enough room. Now, could it end up being a three team deal where we route Splitter somewhere else for a different piece? Sure. But all that trade nets them is 3.5 mil of extra space eaten up by guys they probably don't want in Miller and Harris. Mind as well just keep Mills if that's the case.

Yeah...after I read back through it it made less sense to me.

 

[kovanovich]

Those $525,000 cap holds are based on if the Spurs renounce those players and forfeit their bird rights and the ability to go over the salary cap to re-sign them after they added a player like Aldridge for example.

Yes, that's right, every FA is renounced other than Leonard. The LMA scenario would mean he would sign for the max ($19M), and whatever is left ($15M or so) of the capspace would be divided between Duncan, Ginobili, and Joseph, with perhaps Ginobili being slotted in the mini MLE instead. At least that would be my assumption.

Another possibility is that Ginobili will announce he is retiring. It's been assumed he will want to return and the Spurs will want him back, but maybe not. How much this helps them though cap-wise is somewhat unclear to me. I don't see how it allows them to keep Green, even if they manage to dump Splitter/Diaw and Mills.

Parenthetically, the fact that San Antonio did not extend Leonard last year is really big here. If his max were already on the books, rather than his $7M cap hold, it would be that much more difficult for the Spurs to have a shot at LMA.

 

[kovanovich]

Yeah...after I read back through it it made less sense to me.

Yeah, it doesn't work. It doesn't work for Charlotte because Green will command quite a bit more than Marvin Williams (salaries likely won't match), and it doesn't work for San Antonio because the whole point of trading for Haywood would be to clear either Diaw or Splitter, plus likely Mills. I am also not sure whether the Cavs are permitted to act as a facilitator in a 3 way deal getting a signed and traded Green to Charlotte. Basically, I think you need to find a 4th team willing to take on some salary, but I think ultimately that won't work, unless Charlotte is really motivated to get Green for some reason.

I like the concept of the idea for the Cavs though.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I'd like to know how serious the Kings are about moving Gay/Cousins.

I'd like to see us S&T JR and send him with Haywood's contract and a pick for Gay.

Then maybe Lakers send Hill, Clarkson, Randle and a pick to Sac for Cousins.

Cmon Karl just blow it up.

 

[col63onel]

I'd like to know how serious the Kings are about moving Gay/Cousins.

I'd like to see us S&T JR and send him with Haywood's contract and a pick for Gay.

Then maybe Lakers send Hill, Clarkson, Randle and a pick to Sac for Cousins.

Cmon Karl just blow it up.

That's an overpay for Gay, and if Sac is blowing it up. His contract is pretty big. Why give them a 1st?

They could sign JR outright if they wanted to, and that's before getting rid of Gay.

 

[Otsego Mar]

That's an overpay for Gay, and if Sac is blowing it up. His contract is pretty big. Why give them a 1st?

They could sign JR outright if they wanted to, and that's before getting rid of Gay.

I thought that scenario was an overpay for L.A.

They could sign him outright, true. Not much else I see us doing to make the salaries match unless they would rather have Shump.

 

[Mdog1]

It will be very interesting in a few days time. Once we secure our big three, the free agent market will work itself out. The team that goes after LMA is the team we are most likely to trade with, but there is also Gasol, Cousins, and whatever Houston is doing. Charlotte has a bit of a glut, NOP is reportedly interested in clearing cap.

IMO if things go well, we could be looking at either a straight salary dump to us, SAS for example, or being the third team in a trade to facilitate a big player moving (Cousins).

NOP interests me in this regard. If they want to get in to the hunt, then they have to make a move. I would assume they want to keep Gordon, Holiday, and Davis (duh), and add a Gasol, or LMA.

That means, Pondexter+Anderson, roughly 11.9 million, or evans+Pondexter, roughly 14.1 million. Either way you slice that, Anderson, and Evans are decent players coming back. Obviously we would rather Evans, as he fills a much bigger need, but that's not to say we couldn't find a third team for Anderson. If you ask me, things look good if NOP wants to get into the fold.

Edit: just looking over the salaries, Evans is signed for longer than Gordon, so maybe they would prefer to keep him? If so, then a team looking to get Gordon could use our help, and that would be the best possible route to take.

 

[thafngame]

How about going after Eric Bledsoe with the Haywood contract plus Harris? Bledsoe is set to make 13.5 mil this year so Haywood alone would get it done but adding Harris would sweeten it. Bledsoe is already tight with LeBron, is represented by Rich Paul, and could be a combo guard with us. Could play SG alongside Kyrie but also play big time backup PG minutes with Kryie out. Would be another playmaker to take pressure off LBJ/Kyrie and is very good defensively. He is only set to make 500,000 more each year for the next 3 years after this year so his salary will actually be a steal when the cap goes up next year with the tv deals. Suns look to be on the verge of a contract extension with Brandon Knight so they look to be trying to move on from Bledsoe. They are already under the cap but with them being able to unload Bledsoe contract, they will have even more room to go after some big time names. Seems like a win-win to me.

 

[Urban]

If the Suns are looking to move Bledsoe, I think there are plenty of other teams out there that can offer packages more valuable than just a straight salary dump. And Bledsoe is signed long term and can't leverage the whole "I'll only sign with Team A" like other players who are set to hit free agency in one year's time.

Don't see it happening unless there is a 3rd team involved.