• Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.

2015 Cleveland Browns Training Camp Thread

Do Not Sell My Personal Information
Id rather just see Whitner not respond to Grossi. Especially as a leader of the team and veteran. Don't concern yourself with what the media is saying, and if you need an example of why just ask LeBron what happened when he just ignored Skip. You're basically validating Grossi by saying anything. Just ignore him. And as a Browns player the media is going to give you a lot of shit. The only way to stop it isn't to argue back, it's to go out and win and show them wrong. A lion doesn't concern himself with the thoughts of a sheep.
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
Id rather just see Whitner not respond to Grossi. Especially as a leader of the team and veteran. Don't concern yourself with what the media is saying, and if you need an example of why just ask LeBron what happened when he just ignored Skip. You're basically validating Grossi by saying anything. Just ignore him. And as a Browns player the media is going to give you a lot of shit. The only way to stop it isn't to argue back, it's to go out and win and show them wrong. A lion doesn't concern himself with the thoughts of a sheep.
Click to expand...
I hear you, but there are people like me who get my info from boards like this, and after reading Grossi, it sounded pretty lopsided on both sides of the ball. Then when Hitner spoke up, I remember "oh yeah, Grossi" and although Gilbert got smoked, the rest prob did OK.
 
Seems like Whitner is taking the Popovich approach - defend a player who is struggling to the media, but in the film room his peers tear him apart. The good thing about Gilbert's struggles is that it's all mental. He can fix his technique. Gilbert still plays physically in the initial jam. His tackling angles and choices with the ball in the air need refinement.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Seems like Whitner is taking the Popovich approach - defend a player who is struggling to the media, but in the film room his peers tear him apart. The good thing about Gilbert's struggles is that it's all mental. He can fix his technique. Gilbert still plays physically in the initial jam. His tackling angles and choices with the ball in the air need refinement.
Click to expand...

The fact that it is all mental could also be a bad thing. What if he has relied upon his athleticism his entire career because nothing is going on between the ears?

Coverage calls in college are typically watered-down NFL game plans, whereas an entire cover scheme may change in the NFL during a single play, just by one player going in motion.

I guess we will find out soon enough. If shit-for-brains is the case, Gilbert better agree to catch punts or he will be out of the NFL quickly.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Seems like Whitner is taking the Popovich approach - defend a player who is struggling to the media, but in the film room his peers tear him apart. The good thing about Gilbert's struggles is that it's all mental. He can fix his technique. Gilbert still plays physically in the initial jam. His tackling angles and choices with the ball in the air need refinement.
Click to expand...
Hadn't thought about that. It is hard to know what the 'right' way to go about mentoring Gilbert because none of us know him. What might really get through to some one might make Gilbert feel left out/targeted. I would definitely tread with caution on Gilbert because I could definitely see his attitude taking a turn for the even worse if he feels like he is being patronized or whatever. Maybe the top 10 pick has him feeling entitled. That is the vibe I have gotten from him. Again, guessing based on context clues, but one thing I know for sure: his 'flawless' comment worries the hell out of me. I don't know what is scarier, the fact that a player in his second year after such a bad rookie season feels his play outside of one play was flawless, or that he apparently truly can't see just how far off from being a starting CB he is.

I think Gilbert sees himself in a much, much better light than the coaches do. That is not a good thing. That is the early steps of being extremely difficult to coach. I love players that are confident in themselves, but hate players that don't know where they need to improve. Have you ever heard Haden say he played 'flawlessly'? Have you ever even heard Haden self praising himself at all? Let others praise you. Haden usually talks about what he needs to improve on. He knows he isn't a finished product.

When you feel the need to defend your play to everyone, there is probably a problem in your play, and your attitude.

This is coming from someone who loved the Gilbert pick (admittedly mostly because it wasn't Manziel :p). IMO Gilbert needs an attitude and reality check. If the coaching/players aren't getting through to him maybe it would be good for him to just have a few hell days and the media pick him apart to take him down a few pegs... or he could completely self-destruct. Who knows. Great players (hell great anything in this world) are ALWAYS looking for ways to improve. People looking to convince the media/players that they are actually great players usually don't stick around too long. He needs to realize he isn't even in the same sentence as a finished product yet, and until that happens I think there will be a lot of disappointing play coming from him.
 
Am i the only one that thinks that Gilbert's injury probably improves the defense?
 
MoGottiFor3 said:
View: https://twitter.com/treed1919/status/633773164749832192
View: https://twitter.com/ScottPetrak/status/633773267875155968


View: https://twitter.com/treed1919/status/633772443295948804

View: https://twitter.com/ScottPetrak/status/633771328101830656
View: https://twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status/633774404925804544
Click to expand...

That clip of Gilbert shows what sets Haden apart as one of the best in the league: he turns his damn head around to find the ball. Why are so many guys taught to just put your hand up? Is it really that hard to take a quick glance back?
 
spydy13 said:
That clip of Gilbert shows what sets Haden apart as one of the best in the league: he turns his damn head around to find the ball. Why are so many guys taught to just put your hand up? Is it really that hard to take a quick glance back?
Click to expand...

Yes, game moves very fast when playing it.

Its why those like Haden that can are so great.
 
spydy13 said:
That clip of Gilbert shows what sets Haden apart as one of the best in the league: he turns his damn head around to find the ball. Why are so many guys taught to just put your hand up? Is it really that hard to take a quick glance back?
Click to expand...

Yes, it really is. These island drills do nothing for me, tbh. It's more concerning when a 1 v 1 happens and you can't beat the DB than it is for the DB to get beaten. Even on that video, Gilbert played well until the catch is made. It's hard to pin point a ball thrown from the left hash to the left corner, especially when the QB can throw any lane he wants because there no one between the QB and the 1v1.

More concerned with poor performances in 11 v 11.
 
Lee said:
Yes, game moves very fast when playing it.

Its why those like Haden that can are so great.
Click to expand...

The ball moves fast in basketball and you rarely see defenders totally ignoring the guy with the ball.

I don't know, it just seems strange that a DB's main job is to keep the ball out of a receiver's hand, and yet you teach them to ignore the ball, there by giving the receiver a distinct advantage.

Shit, you don't even need to keep looking back during the route (although you should), but you should definitely be swinging your head around when the receiver is clearly stopping for the ball. He's not going anywhere, so the ball is the most important thing at that point.
 
spydy13 said:
The ball moves fast in basketball and you rarely see defenders totally ignoring the guy with the ball.

I don't know, it just seems strange that a DB's main job is to keep the ball out of a receiver's hand, and yet you teach them to ignore the ball, there by giving the receiver a distinct advantage.

Shit, you don't even need to keep looking back during the route (although you should), but you should definitely be swinging your head around when the receiver is clearly stopping for the ball. He's not going anywhere, so the ball is the most important thing at that point.
Click to expand...
As a former player of the position, DBs are definitely taught to find the ball. Its a pretty simple concept really, but admittedly difficult to do when you arent in good position. You look when the WR looks. If you have good coverage and stay in their hip pocket, its easy to find the ball. Not so much when you are playing catch up and dont have time to look back.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Video

Episode 3-15: "Cavs Survive and Advance"

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Spotify

Episode 3:15: Cavs Survive and Advance
Top