2016 Cleveland Indians

[Steve_424]

Updated the OP

 

[MoFlo]

Bringing the conversation regarding carrasco/trading for a bat from the minor league thread over here, can we trade Bauer instead?

 

[Otsego Mar]

Bringing the conversation regarding carrasco/trading for a bat from the minor league thread over here, can we trade Bauer instead?

I bet Bauer and Santana would get us a solid right handed bat.

 

[macbdog]

Bringing the conversation regarding carrasco/trading for a bat from the minor league thread over here, can we trade Bauer instead?

Sure, but you would get less in return. Remember when Carrasco was the pitcher out of options who was demoted to the bullpen at 26 after getting bombed out of the rotation? Bauer isn't inspiring confidence but I don't see why you deal him while he is down. Idea is to ply a young pitcher forca needed hitter.

 

[Real Deal]

I just can't wait until winter meetings come, curious to see what goes down and what name comes up.

I must say, Schwarber is some kind of talent and I would deal Cookie for him still. But then you have to buy a good pitcher to make it a nice 2 for 1 kind of deal.

With Dolan approaching 85, I'm guessing a healthy 85, but how much time does he really have here to see a championship? Or is it even about winning championship(s) anymore, more so just running a well managed business?

The team finally has a nice future set in stone and still adding young pieces. I just hope we don't see Brantley, Kipnis getting the Victor Martinez like treatment. I want to see these guys win here.

 

[DJTJ]

I just can't wait until winter meetings come, curious to see what goes down and what name comes up.

I must say, Schwarber is some kind of talent and I would deal Cookie for him still. But then you have to buy a good pitcher to make it a nice 2 for 1 kind of deal.

With Dolan approaching 85, I'm guessing a healthy 85, but how much time does he really have here to see a championship? Or is it even about winning championship(s) anymore, more so just running a well managed business?

The team finally has a nice future set in stone and still adding young pieces. I just hope we don't see Brantley, Kipnis getting the Victor Martinez like treatment. I want to see these guys win here.

Paul is only like mid 50s, so this team is kind of in a legacy ownership spot.

 

[Stark]

Bauer strikes me as a guy that has all of the tools to be great, but his mental capabilities won't allow him to realize his full potential.

If he can have a strong finish to the season, I'd love to try to package him with Santana for a legitimate player.

 

[Real Deal]

Paul is only like mid 50s, so this team is kind of in a legacy ownership spot.

Talking about Larry Dolan and IF he wants to see a World Series win in this generation

 

[EdMonix11]

Bauer strikes me as a guy that has all of the tools to be great, but his mental capabilities won't allow him to realize his full potential.

If he can have a strong finish to the season, I'd love to try to package him with Santana for a legitimate player.

Don't think we could get a legitimate bat for both of them, to be honest. The price for a bat is really steep. Shit, Brandon Moss landed us Kaminsky. Realistically, I think we can get a hitting version of Trevor Bauer. Something like a Bauer-Ozuna swap seems like an obvious fit for both teams. To get a "legitimate" bat, though, I think that'd undoubtedly cost us a Carrasco or top prospect(s).

 

[Real Deal]

Don't think we could get a legitimate bat for both of them, to be honest. The price for a bat is really steep. Shit, Brandon Moss landed us Kaminsky. Realistically, I think we can get a hitting version of Trevor Bauer. Something like a Bauer-Ozuna swap seems like an obvious fit for both teams. To get a "legitimate" bat, though, I think that'd undoubtedly cost us a Carrasco or top prospect(s).

Billy Ho its good to see ya!!

This guy was better than Ed Monix.

But I agree with your post, buddy.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Bauer strikes me as a guy that has all of the tools to be great, but his mental capabilities won't allow him to realize his full potential.

If he can have a strong finish to the season, I'd love to try to package him with Santana for a legitimate player.

This. But we can't really complain about that because that is the exact reason we got him on the cheap from AZ. Remember Bauer was one of the top prospects in baseball and we gave up less than a year of Choo for him. Because AZ was so frustrated with his unorthodox style and quirky stunts.

Bauer is immature. Proof is his flame wars with trolls on twitter. He needs to ditch his voodoo BS and maximum likelihood estimators of the value of risk of each pitch and actually listen to the coaches. They are coaches for a reason. But then again, we would have never gotten him if it weren't for his quirks. Just hope he starts to take outside advice.

 

[Nom]

Bringing the conversation regarding carrasco/trading for a bat from the minor league thread over here, can we trade Bauer instead?

He likely has little value on the trade market - but your point is also why I'm against trading a starting pitcher.

If they trade Carrasco and suffer even 1 injury, the rotation is suddenly a disaster. There's not a lot of help in the upper levels - so unless you have a lot of faith in Tomlin, Anderson, House - trading a SP is really dangerous. Especially because I'm not convinced that getting a Puig-type player suddenly turns us into the Blue Jays' offense.

 

[Real Deal]

He likely has little value on the trade market - but your point is also why I'm against trading a starting pitcher.

If they trade Carrasco and suffer even 1 injury, the rotation is suddenly a disaster. There's not a lot of help in the upper levels - so unless you have a lot of faith in Tomlin, Anderson, House - trading a SP is really dangerous. Especially because I'm not convinced that getting a Puig-type player suddenly turns us into the Blue Jays' offense.

If we trade Carrasco then bringing in a very capable pitcher via free agency is mandatory. Their are some great pitchers available. Just gotta spend some dough.

Schwarber + a free agent pitcher at least in top 7 class will make me forget about Cookie.

 

[Nom]

If we trade Carrasco then bringing in a very capable pitcher via free agency is mandatory. Their are some great pitchers available. Just gotta spend some dough.

Schwarber + a free agent pitcher at least in top 7 class will make me forget about Cookie.

Pitchers are so damn expensive in FA but yeah, they'd have to bring in some talent.

Lots of great OF - Heyward, Upton, Gordon, Cespedes. Wonder how the market shakes out for them. Highly doubt we get in the mix for any - but that's the most simple way to fix the offense.

 

[macbdog]

Good news for 2014: Gavin Floyd made a rehab appearance in the AZL last night. Just might be ready for 2016! Since it looks like Nick Hagadone has the same injury, a successful healing by Floyd would give some hope (both were former TJ guys before breaking their elbow).