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2017 Browns Mock Draft Thread

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Off topic, when Manziel gave President Trump unsolicited advice on how to best use Twitter, I expected the galaxy to reverse it's spiral flow and life as we know it to end. It was like a black hole sucking logic out of the universe.

Okay, back to the draft...
 
Updated MM + some other news (from Senior Bowl):

—One position group scouts do love is running back. During a dinner with one scout, he remarked this is the deepest running back class he's ever seen, with as many as six first-round grades floating around. The scout named Leonard Fournette, Dalvin Cook, Christian McCaffrey, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara and D'Onta Foreman as potential top-32 players.

—Many in the media and in the football world are connecting the dots between Kirk Cousins and the San Francisco 49ers, with potential new head coach Kyle Shanahan thought to love his former quarterback. One high-level personnel man I spoke with this week doubts the San Francisco connection for two reasons: the draft picks it would take to secure him and the high salary Cousins will command as a free agent.

—The love for Malik Hooker is legit. The Ohio State safety is a top-10 player in the class. One scout this week told me Ohio State tracked his interceptions while he was a member of the scout team, and he grabbed 40 in his redshirt season.

—Ohio State's Marshon Lattimore has many high grades around the league, but I continue to hear of teams that value Florida's Quincy Wilson as the top cornerback in the class. My board reflects that same belief, with Wilson over Lattimore for the CB1 ranking.

—Two small-school linemen generated a lot of pre-Senior Bowl buzz, but neither Forrest Lamp (Western Kentucky) or Antonio Garcia (Troy) were able to build strong performances. Lamp went out with a high ankle sprain Wednesday, but one scout who watched him exclusively during the first day of practice said he "struggled a lot with inside speed and power. He's a project." As for Garcia, who weighed in at 293 pounds, the same scout said, "We'd need to add a lot of strength there, and you have to wonder if he can even hold more weight."

5 Names to Know, Senior Bowl Edition

5. EDGE Jordan Willis, Kansas State

Jordan Willis, the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year, needed to show the bend and twitch of an athlete in Mobile to push his stock up draft boards. He accomplished that and made my early look at him look very wrong.

Willis' ability to get around the corner and attack the quarterback resulted in 11.5 sacks this past season, and he displayed those same traits in Mobile. Willis' fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker or 4-3 defensive end will have his value soaring for teams. Don't be surprised if he's a late second-rounder.

4. WR Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington

Cooper Kupp, the small-school wide receiver on everyone's mind coming into this week, did not disappoint with his separation skills and hands. Kupp was the best receiver on the field for either team and showed that he's fighting for the No. 3 wide receiver spot in the class.

There are times where he'll have a concentration drop, but Kupp's speed and route running were top-notch. And while Kupp weighed in under 200 pounds, I'm told he'll be heavier for the combine now that he's healthy and can commit to working out again.


3. S Obi Melifonwu, Connecticut (@AZ_ )

You don't see many 6'4", 219-pound safeties who can flip their hips and run like Obi Melifonwu.


Teams are talking about Melifonwu as a tight end eraser. He's physical enough at the line of scrimmage and has the length to be developed into an effective press safety. His over-the-top range is also impressive.

I'd like to see Melifonwu attack the ball better in high-point situations, but his measurables and traits are off-the-charts good.

2. CB Desmond King, Iowa

Desmond King may end up playing safety in the NFL, but no matter where he lands or what position he plays, he'll be one of my favorite players in the class.

King has a short frame but a thick and well-built physique (5'10", 206 lbs). He's aggressive, tough and competitive on the field. In talking to a coach at Iowa, he raved about King's leadership skills and "whatever it takes" mentality.

His lack of long speed and length may mean a nickel or safety move, but King has the goods to carve out a long, productive career as a second-round pick.

1. LB Haason Reddick, Temple

Nothing could stop Haason Reddick, who played both linebacker and defensive end in practices. He was a monster all over the field, making plays as an inside linebacker in run/pass drills and again when asked to put his hand in the dirt and rush the quarterback.

Reddick's size (6'1 ½", 237 lbs) isn't an ideal fit for a true defensive end position, but his movement in space is opening doors for him as an off-ball linebacker who can then dip down on third downs and rush the quarterback. If you want a versatile, attacking linebacker, he's a fit.

MOCK DRAFT (2 round):

1. Myles Garrett
12. DeShaun Watson
(passed on ppl like: Lattimore, Corey Davis, Quincy Wilson)
33. Garett Bolles, T, Utah (passed on ppl like: Cam Robinson, Budda Baker, Lamp, Justin Evans, Cunningham)
50. TJ Watt, LB, Wisconsin (passed on ppl like: McMillan--only name that we have mentioned before. Then ppl like Kupp, Leggett)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nior-bowl-buzz-and-updated-2-round-mock-draft
 
Amazing how all over the board "scouts" are.
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...in-mock-draft-10-browns-get-garrett-fournette

1. Myles Garrett - DE, Texas A&M: Garrett has an all-pro ceiling and combines elite traits with high-end football character. The Browns obviously need a quarterback, but they need great football players first and foremost, and Garrett has a chance to be special.

12. Leonard Fournette - RB, LSU: If Fournette fell to this spot, the Browns might race their card to the podium. Teams don't typically build around running backs anymore, but Fournette has rare size and speed and the potential to carry an offense on his back early in his career.
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...in-mock-draft-10-browns-get-garrett-fournette

1. Myles Garrett - DE, Texas A&M: Garrett has an all-pro ceiling and combines elite traits with high-end football character. The Browns obviously need a quarterback, but they need great football players first and foremost, and Garrett has a chance to be special.

12. Leonard Fournette - RB, LSU: If Fournette fell to this spot, the Browns might race their card to the podium. Teams don't typically build around running backs anymore, but Fournette has rare size and speed and the potential to carry an offense on his back early in his career.

Cook at 27?
Derek Barnett at 28?
Teez Tabor at 29?

Jeez these mocks change quickly.
 
Cook at 27?
Derek Barnett at 28?
Teez Tabor at 29?

Jeez these mocks change quickly.

I read somewhere that folks are a bit down on Barnett because he is big on just overpowering guys. Won't be able to do that as much in the NFL.
 
Not sure if this is the right thread or whatever, but in watching the pro bowl, it seems pretty fucking important to have an incredible secondary, especially CBs.

It's not like I am on to something new that every other team can't see. I just mean to say that in a deep CB class, depending on how we have these guys tiered, I really hope that we spend some of our best picks on the secondary.

Like ideally, we get massive upgraded d-line, in the form of Garrett and Thomas. Those guys can win 1 on 1 matchups in the NFL, have massive upside, and very little risk. Say that happens, then if you get Obi (safety, UConn), then look at whoever is left for our 2nd 2nd at CB (Jourdan Lewis, CB Michigan? maybe could fall because of height), that's how I would like for it to shake out.

Of course, I don't think Thomas is there at 12. It's such a pain in the ass to try to project a realistic draft, but my main point is that coverage is key.
 
Not sure if this is the right thread or whatever, but in watching the pro bowl, it seems pretty fucking important to have an incredible secondary, especially CBs.

It's not like I am on to something new that every other team can't see. I just mean to say that in a deep CB class, depending on how we have these guys tiered, I really hope that we spend some of our best picks on the secondary.

Like ideally, we get massive upgraded d-line, in the form of Garrett and Thomas. Those guys can win 1 on 1 matchups in the NFL, have massive upside, and very little risk. Say that happens, then if you get Obi (safety, UConn), then look at whoever is left for our 2nd 2nd at CB (Jourdan Lewis, CB Michigan? maybe could fall because of height), that's how I would like for it to shake out.

Of course, I don't think Thomas is there at 12. It's such a pain in the ass to try to project a realistic draft, but my main point is that coverage is key.

I agree how important coverage is, however, the biggest element that assists or even catapults an effective secondary, is the pass rush. Sacks, QB hurries and knockdowns are a secondaries biggest asset. If a QB has consistent/extended time to throw - it does not matter who you have back there. It is just way too difficult to cover for an extended period of time.
 
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...in-mock-draft-10-browns-get-garrett-fournette

1. Myles Garrett - DE, Texas A&M: Garrett has an all-pro ceiling and combines elite traits with high-end football character. The Browns obviously need a quarterback, but they need great football players first and foremost, and Garrett has a chance to be special.

12. Leonard Fournette - RB, LSU: If Fournette fell to this spot, the Browns might race their card to the podium. Teams don't typically build around running backs anymore, but Fournette has rare size and speed and the potential to carry an offense on his back early in his career.
Has Trubs going #2...wow. Somebody is infatuated.
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...in-mock-draft-10-browns-get-garrett-fournette

1. Myles Garrett - DE, Texas A&M: Garrett has an all-pro ceiling and combines elite traits with high-end football character. The Browns obviously need a quarterback, but they need great football players first and foremost, and Garrett has a chance to be special.

12. Leonard Fournette - RB, LSU: If Fournette fell to this spot, the Browns might race their card to the podium. Teams don't typically build around running backs anymore, but Fournette has rare size and speed and the potential to carry an offense on his back early in his career.
Sign me the F**K up on that draft. Fournette is my second favorite player from this draft. He could be a real game changer on the offense. I like Crowe, but he isn't blowing me away.
 
Sign me the F**K up on that draft. Fournette is my second favorite player from this draft. He could be a real game changer on the offense. I like Crowe, but he isn't blowing me away.

We were a good rushing team, statistically. I couldn't find anything easily, so can somebody find the yards after contact data for NFL and NCAAF RBs? I was trying to figure out if our running game is good because of our RBs or because we're opening up some holes that anyone could run through.

Fournette can be so damn beastly. We'll see how the chips fall and what our draft room comes up with.
 
I keep trying to find a reason to be upset with the thought of Leonard Fournette on this team and I can't find any.

If he stays healthy, that dude is a guaranteed premium.
 

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