2021 Indians Active Roster Discussion

[CDAV45]

Very true CDAV... Which might explain why I am suddenly interested in Will Benson again..

Exactly Criz. It's impossible to accurately predict the end outcome of a prospect. Those that seem obvious to make it fail and then there are those that are obscure as prospects make it big, and everything in between.

If you listen to some, they'll say Cleveland needs to draft more "contact orientated' hitters. Thing is, they have no proof that such hitters make it more often than those drafted merely on potential. I'm sorry, but hitters like Tyler Freeman and Owen Miller are not common place, and suggesting that they draft more like them after they've demonstrated their abilities is shortsighted IMO. Now I don't have any answers to this dilemma, but I do wonder if their draft strategy may need to be altered. It seems as though the "can't miss" #1 picks like Lindor and Frazier have found success to varying degrees, but the Indians' strategy was different for them. They spent the money on those 2 as opposed to drafting someone like Naquin or Benson for underslot money only to spend more in the 2nd round or beyond.

 

[Criznit]

Exactly Criz. It's impossible to accurately predict the end outcome of a prospect. Those that seem obvious to make it fail and then there are those that are obscure as prospects make it big, and everything in between.

If you listen to some, they'll say Cleveland needs to draft more "contact orientated' hitters. Thing is, they have no proof that such hitters make it more often than those drafted merely on potential. I'm sorry, but hitters like Tyler Freeman and Owen Miller are not common place, and suggesting that they draft more like them after they've demonstrated their abilities is shortsighted IMO. Now I don't have any answers to this dilemma, but I do wonder if their draft strategy may need to be altered. It seems as though the "can't miss" #1 picks like Lindor and Frazier have found success to varying degrees, but the Indians' strategy was different for them. They spent the money on those 2 as opposed to drafting someone like Naquin or Benson for underslot money only to spend more in the 2nd round or beyond.

Sometimes you have to "go for it"... Sometimes it works (Lindor) sometimes it doesn't (Aiken).

 

[CDAV45]

Sometimes you have to "go for it"... Sometimes it works (Lindor) sometimes it doesn't (Aiken).

The risk of injury might be more prevalent than the risk of failure with the high picks. Aiken is a prime example. Adam Miller is another one.

To "right the ship" and be a legitimate contender for the 21 postseason this organization needs to add/find a quality SP and a run producing bat IMO. Those answers may very well already be in the system, but I'm not certain of that. It's sad when the pitching staff's success depends upon them pitching above and beyond a quality start almost every damn game. If this team scores 4 runs it's one of the best in baseball. Less than that then they become common fodder or worse.

I'd rather fail being aggressive. While waiting on guys like Gimenez, Bauers, and Chang to "come around" may prove prudent, this team can do better right now without damaging its future chances IMO.

 

[Kevalier]

What I would do with the big league roster:
DFA Chang and recall Owen Miller
Demote Gimenez and recall Ernie Clement
If Luplow goes to the IL, then recall Daniel Johnson
Send down Hentges with Mejia taking his spot in the rotation if Quantrill is to remain in the pen.

 

[Tondo]

What I would do with the big league roster:
DFA Chang and recall Owen Miller
Demote Gimenez and recall Ernie Clement
If Luplow goes to the IL, then recall Daniel Johnson
Send down Hentges with Mejia taking his spot in the rotation if Quantrill is to remain in the pen.

Naylored it

 

[thestatman]

What I would do with the big league roster:
DFA Chang and recall Owen Miller
Demote Gimenez and recall Ernie Clement
If Luplow goes to the IL, then recall Daniel Johnson
Send down Hentges with Mejia taking his spot in the rotation if Quantrill is to remain in the pen.

All looks good but they also need to DFA Bauers. Don't care who replaces him.

 

[Kevalier]

All looks good but they also need to DFA Bauers. Don't care who replaces him.

I'm fine with eventually DFAing Bauers, but I'm not sure it's wise to do that now and bring up Bobby Bradley to replace him since Bradley has yet to really start producing this season at Columbus. A couple weeks from now if/when Bauers is still underwhelming and if Bradley has heated up, then I think it would be the appropriate time to make that move.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I would be surprised to a high degree if Chang ate a DFA over Bauers eating a DFA or a corresponding 60 day-IL move. Still want Chang and he'd more than likely be claimed.

But you can see the hesitation as to why they don't want to put Perez on the 60 day. No one on the roster can nurse the pitching staff through like he can. Not many people in baseball period can do what he can defensively, calling games, framing pitches, and taking care of his staff. If there is a chance he can return earlier than expected without reaggravating or reinjuring himself, they'll take it.

 

[xmasbuck]

I would be surprised to a high degree if Chang ate a DFA over Bauers eating a DFA or a corresponding 60 day-IL move. Still want Chang and he'd more than likely be claimed.

But you can see the hesitation as to why they don't want to put Perez on the 60 day. No one on the roster can nurse the pitching staff through like he can. Not many people in baseball period can do what he can defensively, calling games, framing pitches, and taking care of his staff. If there is a chance he can return earlier than expected without reaggravating or reinjuring himself, they'll take it.

what does it matter if someone claims Chang? can he help cleveland - the evidence seems to be no he cant

 

[BimboColesHair]

what does it matter if someone claims Chang? can he help cleveland - the evidence seems to be no he cant

The Indians aren't in the business of giving up on young players with options remaining.

Doesn't matter if he can or can't help Cleveland right now when it comes to him occupying a 40 man spot.

 

[xmasbuck]

The Indians have become the masters of the 4A position player - their lineup is loaded with them each night - they would have moved on from several of these guys if they had something than more 4A players to replace them

 

[Kevalier]

I would be surprised to a high degree if Chang ate a DFA over Bauers eating a DFA or a corresponding 60 day-IL move. Still want Chang and he'd more than likely be claimed.

But you can see the hesitation as to why they don't want to put Perez on the 60 day. No one on the roster can nurse the pitching staff through like he can. Not many people in baseball period can do what he can defensively, calling games, framing pitches, and taking care of his staff. If there is a chance he can return earlier than expected without reaggravating or reinjuring himself, they'll take it.

I understand in theory why they would prefer to keep Chang over Bauers because of options, but Bauers is at least serving some type of role on this team while Chang has no role whatsoever right now on the big league club and going down to Columbus probably isn’t going to make the organization reconsider their long-term plans for him if he performs well there.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I understand in theory why they would prefer to keep Chang over Bauers because of options, but Bauers is at least serving some type of role on this team while Chang has no role whatsoever right now on the big league club and going down to Columbus probably isn’t going to make the organization their long-term plans for him.

Not really a theory, that is literally the Indians MO. It's the primary reason Bauers is even on the roster still. The Indians are not in the business of letting young guys potentially leave for nothing, especially with options remaining.

Would have to go against their own mindset if they DFA Chang, which is why I doubt it would happen.

 

[Kevalier]

Not really a theory, that is literally the Indians MO. It's the primary reason Bauers is even on the roster still. The Indians are not in the business of letting young guys potentially leave for nothing, especially with options remaining.

Would have to go against their own mindset if they DFA Chang, which is why I doubt it would happen.

Fair enough. What move would you make to clear room on the 40 man for Owen Miller?

 

[Real Deal]

Young players let go: Urshela, Aguilar, Naquin

Indians don't want to make those mistakes with Bauers, Chang, etc.

Urshela also credits the Yankees hitting coach for changing his entire approach. While we continue to send out Tito's close friend Burkleo.

With exception to Hosey, you don't see the Indians sending out hotshot hitters.

Wonderful, grade A pitching development.

Opposite with hitting.