Avengers: Infinity War spoiler thread

[TyGuy]

View: https://twitter.com/NBAMemes/status/992204630229639168

 

[col63onel]

Saw something where they were saying that the deaths are permanent and they aren't all going to just be undone in Avengers 4.

I'm guessing that is the MCU equivalent of the GoT writers/actors saying you-know-who is really, truly dead over and over and over right before they resurrect him two episodes into the next season.

Black Panther is getting a sequel. Chadwick Boseman will be in it. That character is not dead.

I'd unequivocally say the same thing about Spiderman, save the fact that they could go the Miles Morales route and leave Tom Holland's Spiderman dead.

 

[gourimoko]

Saw something where they were saying that the deaths are permanent and they aren't all going to just be undone in Avengers 4.

I'm guessing that is the MCU equivalent of the GoT writers/actors saying you-know-who is really, truly dead over and over and over right before they resurrect him two episodes into the next season.

FWIW.. "The Snap" gets undone... Remember, it's not just Black Panther and Spiderman, etc; we're talking about half of the living animals in the Entire Universe. So yes, all of those beings will be restored in the next Avengers film.

 

[Sebastian]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG6uekF1xpo

 

[Sebastian]

FWIW.. "The Snap" gets undone... Remember, it's not just Black Panther and Spiderman, etc; we're talking about half of the living animals in the Entire Universe. So yes, all of those beings will be restored in the next Avengers film.

Just those raptured. Probably.

There will be a high toll on the original Avengers I am sure.

A couple things I thought of.

Why did Thanos need the elves to make him a purpose-built super gauntlet?

Noting the damage to the Gauntlet, it is not unreasonable to think that if someone tried to gather the stones on a different glove and tried to use all the stones at once that the wearer would be obliterated.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Saw something where they were saying that the deaths are permanent and they aren't all going to just be undone in Avengers 4.

I'm guessing that is the MCU equivalent of the GoT writers/actors saying you-know-who is really, truly dead over and over and over right before they resurrect him two episodes into the next season.

Well, it wouldn't really make sense for them to just say, "Yeah, all the deaths were for bullshit shock value and they'll all be fine." Even though that was almost certainly the case.

This was one case where predictable would have been better than unpredictable. Yeah, you got the brief shock value when a bunch of people we expected to live suddenly died, but it took about one second of processing for anyone with a brain to understand that most of those characters (if not all) are coming back. They should have just ended with Thanos beating the shit out of Captain America and putting him in the ground. We'd all have seen it coming, but it would have been a much better way to end Infinity War than what we got. Or at least have him beat Captain America to death before doing the finger snap so we at least got one death we could probably bank on not being reversed.

 

[Chris]

Well, it wouldn't really make sense for them to just say, "Yeah, all the deaths were for bullshit shock value and they'll all be fine." Even though that was almost certainly the case.

This was one case where predictable would have been better than unpredictable. Yeah, you got the brief shock value when a bunch of people we expected to live suddenly died, but it took about one second of processing for anyone with a brain to understand that most of those characters (if not all) are coming back. They should have just ended with Thanos beating the shit out of Captain America and putting him in the ground. We'd all have seen it coming, but it would have been a much better way to end Infinity War than what we got. Or at least have him beat Captain America to death before doing the finger snap so we at least got one death we could probably bank on not being reversed.

Well they could certainly be more vague about it.

But we all know most of them are coming back. Like I said, it’s the same exact thing as the Jon Snow situation in GoT.

 

[Derek]

Listen, the snap wasn't some cinematic device developed to make you think all your new favorite heroes were dead. This is how it happened in the comics right in the first few pages of the Infinity Gauntlet collection. And yes, we all knew somehow they would overcome Thanos, and bring back half the universe.

The reasons for choosing who they chose was not for shock value IMO but rather so that the OG Avengers could have one last moment in the sun prior to their contracts expiring.

 

[gourimoko]

Just those raptured. Probably.

There will be a high toll on the original Avengers I am sure.

A couple things I thought of.

Why did Thanos need the elves to make him a purpose-built super gauntlet?

In the comics he didn't... Simply possessing the gems was sufficient to wield them; but, you needed to have a strong will and a strong mind in order to not be overcome by their power... otherwise you could be driven to madness; as was Nebula. This was, yet another reason they needed Adam Warlock.

Of the MCU heroes, we know Stark and Rogers definitely can wield the gauntlet; and they're both still alive. Mar-Vell could've, but I dunno about Carol Danvers .. I mean .. she's not exactly the same with respect to mental fortitude.

Noting the damage to the Gauntlet, it is not unreasonable to think that if someone tried to gather the stones on a different glove and tried to use all the stones at once that the wearer would be obliterated.

Thanos should be able to simply clinch his fist to repair the gauntlet.

 

[Chris]

Listen, the snap wasn't some cinematic device developed to make you think all your new favorite heroes were dead. This is how it happened in the comics right in the first few pages of the Infinity Gauntlet collection. And yes, we all knew somehow they would overcome Thanos, and bring back half the universe.

The reasons for choosing who they chose was not for shock value IMO but rather so that the OG Avengers could have one last moment in the sun prior to their contracts expiring.

So when these guys contracts expire what happens? Are they going to explain them away, are they going to die, or what? New cast members? That's my big question.

 

[gourimoko]

So when these guys contracts expire what happens? Are they going to explain them away, are they going to die, or what? New cast members? That's my big question.

They'll either be renewed, or they'll walk off into the sunset.

I think Chris Evans has said that he's really done with making movies in general, not just Marvel films, but, he wants to get out of the acting biz period. I suppose Sebastian Stan could replace him has Captain America, and that'd be well within the comic lore, but... I don't know if that actor really has the chops for it, to be honest.

I don't see the GotG crew going anywhere anytime soon; they could do 10 of those movies and they'd still make money.

All in all I think Evans, Downey Jr, Renner, and Don Cheadle are gone.. FWIW, the most expensive actors employed by Marvel right now are Downey Jr and ScarJo. Evans, Hemsworth, Pratt, Saldana, etc those guys don't get paid shit by comparison.

 

[Adam]

They'll either be renewed, or they'll walk off into the sunset.

I think Chris Evans has said that he's really done with making movies in general, not just Marvel films, but, he wants to get out of the acting biz period. I suppose Sebastian Stan could replace him has Captain America, and that'd be well within the comic lore, but... I don't know if that actor really has the chops for it, to be honest.

I don't see the GotG crew going anywhere anytime soon; they could do 10 of those movies and they'd still make money.

All in all I think Evans, Downey Jr, Renner, and Don Cheadle are gone.. FWIW, the most expensive actors employed by Marvel right now are Downey Jr and ScarJo. Evans, Hemsworth, Pratt, Saldana, etc those guys don't get paid shit by comparison.

yeah i think Iron man and Cap def are going to bite the dust. Marvel has to decide what to do with black widow, either go to full feature or let her just fade out, financially its just a bad idea to have her as perpetual co-star

 

[Chris]

They'll either be renewed, or they'll walk off into the sunset.

I think Chris Evans has said that he's really done with making movies in general, not just Marvel films, but, he wants to get out of the acting biz period. I suppose Sebastian Stan could replace him has Captain America, and that'd be well within the comic lore, but... I don't know if that actor really has the chops for it, to be honest.

I don't see the GotG crew going anywhere anytime soon; they could do 10 of those movies and they'd still make money.

All in all I think Evans, Downey Jr, Renner, and Don Cheadle are gone.. FWIW, the most expensive actors employed by Marvel right now are Downey Jr and ScarJo. Evans, Hemsworth, Pratt, Saldana, etc those guys don't get paid shit by comparison.

Gonna suck to see Robert Downey and Iron Man go. Oh well.

 

[gourimoko]

Gonna suck to see Robert Downey and Iron Man go. Oh well.

From Marvel's perspective, Iron Man 3 (an awful movie) came out 5 years ago, and Marvel has thrived since; and not because of IM3 but because of IM1 (2008) & 2 (2010) -- so to them, they might not need a guy who commands $40-$50M for movies where he's not even on screen for most of the film (see: Captain America: Civil War, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Avengers: Infinity War)...

He's a great actor; and probably has the widest range of acting chops in the MCU other than obviously Cumberbatch. But the Iron Man movies themselves aren't necessarily required for the MCU to go on... He's really a character that can live in the foreground of the group, but doesn't necessarily need a film of his own. Not that an Iron Man movie can't be great, but that it's not necessary given his cost.

Think about it... If you can make Black Panther for $200M, paying the entire fucking cast less than just Robert Downey Jr alone, then you've really got to consider your options if you're Marvel, just from a business perspective. What MCU movie doesn't get made because RDJ is got $200M over the past 5 years?

So for Marvel, yeah, I think it's probably time they give that relationship a breather ... He may ultimately renegotiate a more equitable deal for Marvel by taking less per film but having extended royalty rights over time .. almost like a deferred payment of sorts; but that might take some time away from the role in order for him to consider it.

All that being said, Robert Downey Jr is the sole reason we have the MCU today. Without his embracing of the Marvel Comics material and making a real film out of it rather than trying to ridicule it or reshape it into something it's not (looking at Edward Norton). I think Marvel has found the right formula for finding the right actors for the right roles and for the right price (a price that's sustainable). But I'm not sure if Downey still fits into that formulation?

We'll see though....

 

[gourimoko]

yeah i think Iron man and Cap def are going to bite the dust. Marvel has to decide what to do with black widow, either go to full feature or let her just fade out, financially its just a bad idea to have her as perpetual co-star

IIRC, Black Widow is moving forward with production, but she's like the second most highly paid actor at Marvel, and definitely could be eradicated IMHO. I don't dislike her character, but if we're being honest, Scarlett Johansson is just not a good actress at all.

They will really need to make the movie action-packed to avoid long expositional scenes with Johansson needing to act out her character.... The entire movie should just be guns blazing from start to finish.