Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

[mcfly]

When I think of deals we can make this season, I am thinking it would have to be something like Haywood for Reggie Jackson, where the other team gives up a decent piece on a good deal, knowing they will likely not retain said player after this season, and/or would like Haywood's contract to get that final piece for next season, but are limited do to their cap situation.

 

[TFIR]

Regarding Haywood. I realize he's only useful for his contract but....

As long as he's on the roster I am baffled as to why they don't use him more. In his limited appearances he looks ok to me.

By ok I mean that he is obviously totally in shape. And very large. I have seen him alter shots. He is even running the floor quite well. He's a veteran who knows how to play. As a backup type, to me that works.

I actually wonder if they are afraid of him getting injured since he will be dealt at some point.

 

[tocov]

He can barely move. He's very slow and will pose no threat on D, on O he has very limited moves and is not quick enough to PnR against a team that guards it even half decently.

 

[breaking bad]

2 things regarding haywood -

1. only teams that are likely to value his contract next summer are teams that aren't projected to have cap space.
keep that in mind.
that said, even some teams that could have cap room - say boston - aren't guaranteed to opt for cap room.
many ways to skin an offseason...

2. while it is true that the cavs are unlikely to use haywood's deal this summer to trade for another huge salary player, what haywood's deal does do for cleveland is provide an insurance policy in case kevin love leaves.

if love decides to walk for whatever reason, cavs will have no cap room and very few means with which to replace love - never mind improve the roster...

having an asset like haywood's deal gives the cavs a lot of flexibility and a way to acquire another big salary player/s to replace love if he does leave.

imo, that's worth keeping in mind when evaluating deals for haywood.
if the player coming in is just a marginal backup, could be better to hold on to haywood and just pick up one of the veterans that will be released once the trade deadline passes.

 

[TFIR]

He can barely move. He's very slow and will pose no threat on D

I know I am knit picking here, but I disagree. Watching him closely, and he CAN and does move. Obviously I agree he is useless on offense but so what? So is Dalembaert.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Regarding Haywood. I realize he's only useful for his contract but....

As long as he's on the roster I am baffled as to why they don't use him more. In his limited appearances he looks ok to me.

By ok I mean that he is obviously totally in shape. And very large. I have seen him alter shots. He is even running the floor quite well. He's a veteran who knows how to play. As a backup type, to me that works.

I actually wonder if they are afraid of him getting injured since he will be dealt at some point.

Someone missed Friday's game

 

[TFIR]

Someone missed Friday's game

LOL, ok, I surrender.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

I think we should be trying to get something of value, maybe a pick swap with a player, couple second round picks with a player or even w protected pick. We should use it to help give us some assets going forward. Let's face it we won't be able to use the contract this offseason.

 

[TFIR]

couple second round picks with a player or even w protected pick.

The thing is, even a 2nd rounder would get us a Prigioni type backup point guard.

I'd really like to see a 'pass first" point guard in case something happens to Kyrie.

 

[RonG]

2 things regarding haywood -

1. only teams that are likely to value his contract next summer are teams that aren't projected to have cap space.
keep that in mind.
that said, even some teams that could have cap room - say boston - aren't guaranteed to opt for cap room.
many ways to skin an offseason...

This part is not true or accurate, this contract is worth assets to a rebuilding team as well, because a rebuilding team can flip this contract later next season to a team that falls out like NY this year and offer some cap relief. This contract is valuable to 2/3 of the league at some point over the next 13 months.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

This part is not true or accurate, this contract is worth assets to a rebuilding team as well, because a rebuilding team can flip this contract later next season to a team that falls out like NY this year and offer some cap relief. This contract is valuable to 2/3 of the league at some point over the next 13 months.

Depends. Having cap space is more valuable then a 10MM big who can't play. But you are right there is some value, the key is how do the cavs get maximum value now. A team under the cap or a non competitor is not going to give up anything for his contract.

 

[wuck]

This part is not true or accurate, this contract is worth assets to a rebuilding team as well, because a rebuilding team can flip this contract later next season to a team that falls out like NY this year and offer some cap relief. This contract is valuable to 2/3 of the league at some point over the next 13 months.

According to Mark Deeks, Haywood's 2015-2016 $10.5M contract becomes guaranteed on August 1, 2015. I agree that the contract could have value to teams in various financial positions (whether to use or whether to flip), but the final trade will have to happen sometime before the coming trade deadline or sometime between July 10 (end of moratorium) and August 1. The contract could be traded multiple times without aggregating contracts during that final few weeks.

The point is that a team is going to have make a call on that final trade before next season starts.

 

[RonG]

See an I was wrong for not looking up when it became guaranteed.

 

[breaking bad]

This part is not true or accurate, this contract is worth assets to a rebuilding team as well, because a rebuilding team can flip this contract later next season to a team that falls out like NY this year and offer some cap relief. This contract is valuable to 2/3 of the league at some point over the next 13 months.

a rebuilding team or a cap team will have no interest in that contract.
it becomes guaranteed over the summer.


ok, that's what I get for not continuing to read everyone's posts before replying...

carry on

 

[kovanovich]

2 things regarding haywood -

1. only teams that are likely to value his contract next summer are teams that aren't projected to have cap space.
keep that in mind.
that said, even some teams that could have cap room - say boston - aren't guaranteed to opt for cap room.
many ways to skin an offseason...

2. while it is true that the cavs are unlikely to use haywood's deal this summer to trade for another huge salary player, what haywood's deal does do for cleveland is provide an insurance policy in case kevin love leaves.

if love decides to walk for whatever reason, cavs will have no cap room and very few means with which to replace love - never mind improve the roster...

having an asset like haywood's deal gives the cavs a lot of flexibility and a way to acquire another big salary player/s to replace love if he does leave.

imo, that's worth keeping in mind when evaluating deals for haywood.
if the player coming in is just a marginal backup, could be better to hold on to haywood and just pick up one of the veterans that will be released once the trade deadline passes.

These are good points, and the second point in particular is not one I believe I have seen mentioned anywhere in RCF, probably because we don't like thinking about potential bad outcomes. But we always need to be making contingency plans, and I hope the Cavs are too.

If Love were to opt out and sign elsewhere, the Cavs would be very hard-pressed to get a viable replacement since they are projected to have no cap room. If they were to use the Haywood chip now, their one significant remaining tool this summer would (likely) be the non-taxpayer MLE.

But if they don't trade Haywood now, they will also be able to execute a sign and trade with Haywood's contract, since they would still be below the apron. This would be a decent contingency plan in the event Love leaves.

If the Cavs do trade Haywood now, that may be an indicator that they are not worried about Love leaving this off-season. Or it could simply be further evidence that Griffin/Gilbert are gamblers at heart.