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Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

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I really dont think Haywood is half as bad as you guys think. would like to see hinm play more
 
Agree. We might get 8 to 12 minutes of ample to solid work out of the big guy before shipping him out. I don't want to wear out our only prized big right now. The more we use of Brenda, the more we steer clear of a similar path of Varejao this season for Moz. I've been calling for this even before the Denver trade.
 
What's up with this sudden urge to see just how terrible Brendan Haywood is? Am I the only one that remembers rebounds bouncing off his hands or him firing routine passes 10 feet over peoples' heads?

I'll save everyone the time- he's awful. Worst foul rate on the team (5.8 per 36), second worst turnover percentage on the team (22.5% - only behind Lou Amundson's 26.5%), and his illustrious offensive rating of 85 puts him squarely among other terrible Cavs like Will Cherry, A.J. Price, and my boy Sweet Lou again for the worst on the team.

He's just not worth seeing the court over anyone in the rotation. Any minutes Love doesn't play should go to Marion or Tristan, while any minutes Mozgov doesn't play should go to TT. Apart from mopping up the court after blowouts I don't know why anyone would want him out there.
 
CosmoKramer said:
What's up with this sudden urge to see just how terrible Brendan Haywood is? Am I the only one that remembers rebounds bouncing off his hands or him firing routine passes 10 feet over peoples' heads?

I'll save everyone the time- he's awful. Worst foul rate on the team (5.8 per 36), second worst turnover percentage on the team (22.5% - only behind Lou Amundson's 26.5%), and his illustrious offensive rating of 85 puts him squarely among other terrible Cavs like Will Cherry, A.J. Price, and my boy Sweet Lou again for the worst on the team.

He's just not worth seeing the court over anyone in the rotation. Any minutes Love doesn't play should go to Marion or Tristan, while any minutes Mozgov doesn't play should go to TT. Apart from mopping up the court after blowouts I don't know why anyone would want him out there.
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A lot of the errors would likely go down as he played himself into shape. Dude looked gassed after five minutes. Any way to reduce the amount of minutes important guys are playing ought to be explored.

You point out his flaws per 36 but note he also has the highest blocks at 3.9 per 36 and is among the highest rebounders per 36 at 9.7.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2015.html

Obviously he's not someone the Cavs should be trusting in crucial situations right now but guys can't improve unless you play em.
 
i dont see why running offense through haywood is a necessity when he'd simply be there to be a big body down low and provide defense, and can dunk and tip in just fine

its clear how much better we are with a presence down low.. can we make a minor adjustment to the potent offense and not pass the center the ball and reap the benefits? IMagine a world where we play defense for 48 minutes and only give up 1/10 of the offense for 15
 
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If not for this thread I would not even be aware that Haywood is still in the team.
 
At best I view Haywood as a net-zero. He is much slower than realistically any NBA big earning minutes. Moreover, if he gets hurt his trade value hits zero. I think the most you see out of Haywood this season is him being traded for another big or PG.
 
Rather have TT @ PF and Haywood as a buffer @ C for 8 or so minutes isn't that big of a deal and I'm sure people aren't also very keen on seeing a James/Miller-Jones/TT frontcourt against the likes of Bulls and other tall FC matchups. There's no immediate solution for our Center rotation problem. The fact that we're trying to acquire an old SG for our last spot isn't helping our case with said problem. As David said, Haywood's on the floor for clogging, rebounding, and defending solutions for limited minutes.

Are we trading the guy this year or the next? Not educated that much in personnel movement.
 
Why bother with Haywood, honestly? He won't be on the court for 1 meaningful minute come playoff time. Unless it is a blowout, he is too much of risk to have out there. He can't move at all. He will get beat down the court on every miss. Let's play the guys that we will be actually counting on during the playoffs. Haywood is a just an expiring contract at this point.
 
We would be better with a veteran center that could compete physically for 10 minutes a game. Brenda was not that competitive physically back in the day. Did Dalembert land anywhere?
 
No I'm pretty sure Dalembert is available and would be a tremendous pick up. The thing is, GM LeBrizzy is waiting on Heysoos Shuttlesworth.
 
Are we going to be above the apron next summer?
 
This idea has been mentioned in other threads, and now it's in local print from Lloyd:

Jason Lloyd's latest on related topics:

14. There have been whispers throughout the season the Cavs may trade Brendan Haywood’s unique contract before this summer, when it reaches its maximum value. Those whispers are growing louder. In fact, if the Cavs are to upgrade their backup point guard position through trade, they will inevitably have to include Haywood just to make the money match. And from all indications, they’ll have no problem moving Haywood’s contract if the right point guard becomes available. But they won’t know that until closer to the Feb. 19 trade deadline.

15. The Cavs have been privately telling people for months that when they originally acquired Haywood’s contract, worth $10.5 million non-guaranteed next season, they didn’t have any max players on the roster. Now they have three.

16. Assuming Kevin Love is still here, the Cavs will commit at least $58 million next season in salary just to Love, LeBron and Kyrie Irving. Add in Anderson Varejao’s $10 million for next season, new deals for Tristan Thompson and Iman Shumpert (each of whom will be coming off their rookie deals and seeking at least $10 million) and the Cavs’ payroll next season will explode through the cap (projected now around $66 million) and tax apron. That means Haywood’s contract cannot be used in sign-and-trade deals, which eliminates the Cavs from pursuing any free agents with his contract.

17. Other teams are now highly aware of Haywood’s contract. Since the Cavs are fully committed to win-now mode, it wouldn’t surprise me to see them deal Haywood within the next four weeks for immediate help this season.
 
It would have to be a pretty good player to move Haywood.

There is big difference between 2 million and 10 million.
 
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