C.J. Miles signs with Cavs ($2M/year, 2nd year is team option)

[Jon]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Sounds like a tire kicker - a guy you sign cheap and hope under the right situation he can get his efficiency back to where it was a couple of years ago.

 

[KCOTT]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Ok. People on here are driving me crazy. There keeps being some model which no free agent fits that we are creating? From Bynum to CJ Freakin Miles to Batum.

Someone has to play on the team. Maybe state what you believe the cavs should pursuing or be doing/ how it fits in terms of wining in the long run. And who ideally (if they exist should be playing).

If not at least state what is wrong with the acquisition and what is better. At some point someone has to play. Seems like everyone is hedging so they can say "see I said Bynum would make us worse, or look we are paying CJ Miles x and he sucks". There has been little to no intelligent conversation about anyone not named Kyrie, T2 and Z2, Andy, Or their Waiter. They are not going to be winning a championship. And someone else is going to be wearing the wine and gold whether you like it or not.

Edit: Sorry "winning" not wining

reminds me when people were bitching about Mo Williams, then he made the All-Star team with us

 

[I'mWithDan]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Better than Casspi.

If this was the barometer for bringing in a SF, we would have just signed an UDFA out of North Dakota State. :chuckles:

But in all seriousness, Miles would be a decent stop gap.

He'll keep the seat warm and then slide to the bench when the Cavs address the positon next year.

In terms of people whining about him, really?

He's young, he'll likely be fairly cheap and he has some short term value as a rotational player.

I'd say that's a good enough list of positives to pursue him for 2012.

 

[Lee]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

I think Miles is exciting only because he is new, he really is the worst of the 3 sf being discussed. I think Gee is way over rated by this board, and I am glad we are not over paying for him just because the fans want us to. I think Casspi is under rated by this board and isnt nearly as bad as people think, just didnt live up to expectations (inluding mine). That said, of the 3, not a single one is a legit starting sf in the NBA.

We need Gee or miles signed at this point to fill out the sf depth, but neither needs to be long term unless its a very favorable contract and neither is our future starting sf. That will come in the draft or trade within the next 12 months or so.

 

[Phills14]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

I think Miles is exciting only because he is new, he really is the worst of the 3 sf being discussed. I think Gee is way over rated by this board, and I am glad we are not over paying for him just because the fans want us to. I think Casspi is under rated by this board and isnt nearly as bad as people think, just didnt live up to expectations (inluding mine). That said, of the 3, not a single one is a legit starting sf in the NBA.

We need Gee or miles signed at this point to fill out the sf depth, but neither needs to be long term unless its a very favorable contract and neither is our future starting sf. That will come in the draft or trade within the next 12 months or so.

I mostly agree with you here Lee, however Casspi is awfully bad. So much worse than I thought he was. You can guarantee if he gets contact going to the basket that he will miss the shot. 100 times out of 100. His shot really looks terrible and last year he had significantly problems making anything from distance. He is tall and long for a SF. That's where my praise ends though.

 

[RikSmits]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Those regressions match his effectiveness playing with a quality point guard. Is he regressing, or did he suffer from Deron Williams leaving? Did he stop making jump shots, or did he stop getting open looks from Devin Harris and Earl Watson?

I don't think that is the case. In 2009-2010 Williams was the PG. in 2010-2011, Williams was the PG for 53 games.

But when you take a better look at Miles, he did not play a lot of minutes in his first three seasons. In his 3rd season he peaked in fg% and 3p%, but while only playing 11.5 mpg.
In his 4th season (2008-2009), he had a jump in minutes to 22.5 mpg, and his percentages started dropping.
So he had a good year in limited minutes, and likely a big portion of those minutes in that season against second units, and once he started getting more minutes, he also started regressing.

I don't know him that well and he struck me as a scrappy defender, as some others posted.
His defensive rating isn't great, though. But he had better win shares on D than on O.
I don't think defensive stats are as accurate as offensive stats, so I don't know what that is worth.

Still, I prefer we resign Gee at a reasonable price then Miles at a bargain.

 

[pl4tinum]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Negotiation tactics aside, I hope we show Gee the money. He was one of the most exciting parts of the team last year with his thunderous dunks, his no-fear attitude, and his improvement in his game. I am a big Gee fan and I think he deserves a good contract. Nothing too crazy, but it'd be hard for me to let him go. I'm not interested in Miles, guy's been a tease for 4 years now.

 

[Lee]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

I mostly agree with you here Lee, however Casspi is awfully bad. So much worse than I thought he was. You can guarantee if he gets contact going to the basket that he will miss the shot. 100 times out of 100. His shot really looks terrible and last year he had significantly problems making anything from distance. He is tall and long for a SF. That's where my praise ends though.

Casspi is not good. I agree, but not as bad as people are saying. He could find a home as a backup sf. That said, Miles is actually worse and the only reason we would like the signing is because he is not Casspi, not because he isa ctually that good.

 

[Soar]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Replacement for DJ Kennedy.

 

[mcfly]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Though I do not mind the interest in Miles, shouldn't we have been able to sign Ronnie Brewer to something more than the 1 year vet. min. deal he signed in NY?

 

[Lee]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Negotiation tactics aside, I hope we show Gee the money. He was one of the most exciting parts of the team last year with his thunderous dunks, his no-fear attitude, and his improvement in his game. I am a big Gee fan and I think he deserves a good contract. Nothing too crazy, but it'd be hard for me to let him go. I'm not interested in Miles, guy's been a tease for 4 years now.

Problem is that he wants get paid. Boobie was in a simular situation and was a fan favorite. Ferry didnt give in and signed him to a team friendly contract. Even with that, many think Boobie is over paid today. The same thing would most likely happen with Gee if we give in to his way to high demands.

 

[Randolphkeys]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

I think Miles is exciting only because he is new, he really is the worst of the 3 sf being discussed. I think Gee is way over rated by this board, and I am glad we are not over paying for him just because the fans want us to. I think Casspi is under rated by this board and isnt nearly as bad as people think, just didnt live up to expectations (inluding mine). That said, of the 3, not a single one is a legit starting sf in the NBA.

We need Gee or miles signed at this point to fill out the sf depth, but neither needs to be long term unless its a very favorable contract and neither is our future starting sf. That will come in the draft or trade within the next 12 months or so.

I see Miles as a possible cusp starter who might be asking for less money than Gee. You say Miles isn't "a legit starting SF in the NBA," yet he has started 159 games at the age of 25 for a team that is almost always in the playoffs. He was a prep to pros player who was labeled not ready for the NBA to start his career, hence his slide to the second round, but those numbers on a good team says he has some use. I noticed that RikSmits mentioned that Miles probably got most of his stats against second teams, but under Coach Sloan, Miles actually got plenty of burn with the first unit as the fifth option on the floor and defensive specialist. I think that is the role Gee played best: let the guards be the playmakers, make your open shots, cut to the basket, and defend opposing wings.

Interestingly, Martell Webster is still out there in free agency. Webster was taken in the lottery of the same draft as a prep to pros player, and he has very similar career stats:

C.J. Miles NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com
Martell Webster NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com

I'm not saying Miles is an everyday starter in the NBA, but it seems like the Cavs are looking for short-term help at small forward. It seems they want Gee in that role, but they don't want to overspend on a part-time starter/bench player.

If the price for Miles is right and he really doesn't want to be in Salt Lake anymore with a coach that has lost his trust, the Cavs could do worse.

 

[Lee]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

I see Miles as a possible cusp starter who might be asking for less money than Gee. You say Miles isn't "a legit starting SF in the NBA," yet he has started 159 games at the age of 25 for a team that is almost always in the playoffs. He was a prep to pros player who was labeled not ready for the NBA to start his career, hence his slide to the second round, but those numbers on a good team says he has some use. I noticed that RikSmits mentioned that Miles probably got most of his stats against second teams, but under Coach Sloan, Miles actually got plenty of burn with the first unit as the fifth option on the floor and defensive specialist. I think that is the role Gee played best: let the guards be the playmakers, make your open shots, cut to the basket, and defend opposing wings.

Interestingly, Martell Webster is still out there in free agency. Webster was taken in the lottery of the same draft as a prep to pros player, and he has very similar career stats:

C.J. Miles NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com
Martell Webster NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com

I'm not saying Miles is an everyday starter in the NBA, but it seems like the Cavs are looking for short-term help at small forward. It seems they want Gee in that role, but they don't want to overspend on a part-time starter/bench player.

If the price for Miles is right and he really doesn't want to be in Salt Lake anymore with a coach that has lost his trust, the Cavs could do worse.

I agree, if Miles comes cheap sign him. I was more speaking to those that think Miles is the long term answer at sf. He is a short term stop gap solution imo. But I am not against the signing if the price is right. I rather have miles for 3 years 10 million than Gee for 4 years 25 millioin.

 

[kyrieswaiter]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

CJ Miles 25yo low 40%FG, mid 30% 3pt, decent but not great on stat-stuffers. PER just under 15.
A. Gee 25yo low-to-mid 40%FG, low-to-mid 30%3pt, decent but not great stat-stuffers. PER just under 15.

I think this is a warning shot to Gee that there are other guys like him on the open market.

 

[RikSmits]

re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

I see Miles as a possible cusp starter who might be asking for less money than Gee. You say Miles isn't "a legit starting SF in the NBA," yet he has started 159 games at the age of 25 for a team that is almost always in the playoffs. He was a prep to pros player who was labeled not ready for the NBA to start his career, hence his slide to the second round, but those numbers on a good team says he has some use. I noticed that RikSmits mentioned that Miles probably got most of his stats against second teams, but under Coach Sloan, Miles actually got plenty of burn with the first unit as the fifth option on the floor and defensive specialist. I think that is the role Gee played best: let the guards be the playmakers, make your open shots, cut to the basket, and defend opposing wings.

Yeah, I may not have been very accurate in my statement. I meant that he got his high percentages in his third season against second units. I agree that he started plenty of games in the following years, and it coincides with plummeting shooting percentages.

To clarify: I don't hate Miles. I just don't see much upside in him, nor an upgrade over what we have. If he's a stopgap, fine. But either we should have tried to sign a solid, experienced veteran, or a young guy that may grow into a nice piece. He's neither this nor that. (Whereas Leuer fits that bill, IMO).