Cleveland Browns New Head Coach Search, 2014

[ajz20]

Brandon Castel ‏@BCastOZone 1m

Haha these guys! RT @FSOhioZJackson Haslam: "I've never really thought about" why Mike Lombardi isn't a part of such public event

 

[ajz20]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo">@MikeGarafolo</a> says on <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports1">@FOXSports1</a> Browns OC Norv Turner was &quot;irate&quot; with Chud firing and went after Banner and Co.</p>&mdash; Ross Jones (@RossJonesFOX) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossJonesFOX/statuses/417717014501658624">December 30, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[theshad]

Brandon Castel ‏@BCastOZone 1m

Haha these guys! RT @FSOhioZJackson Haslam: "I've never really thought about" why Mike Lombardi isn't a part of such public event

I like to think that Lombardi is too busy scouting players for mundane things such as meetings.

 

[elcheato]

Why do so many people care about this Lombardi stuff? He wasn't the one who made the decision to fire Chud, and doesn't have close to the same power that Banner holds within the organization. Doesn't really matter if he's up there or not.

Now, if you're wondering why he holds the position of GM in the first place, that's fine, but I could care less that he's not up there. The fact that he's not tells me he doesn't have much sway or power at all, and that's a good thing in my eyes. We knew Banner would be doing everything when he was hired.

 

[ajz20]

Why do so many people care about this Lombardi stuff? He wasn't the one who made the decision to fire Chud, and doesn't have close to the same power that Banner holds within the organization. Doesn't really matter if he's up there or not.

Now, if you're wondering why he holds the position of GM in the first place, that's fine, but I could care less that he's not up there. The fact that he's not tells me he doesn't have much sway or power at all, and that's a good thing in my eyes. We knew Banner would be doing everything when he was hired.

So the general manager is not needed in major press conferences after a decision that shapes the future of the franchise? Usually the GM has a huge hand in creating the roster and making sure the team has enough talent to win. You make it sound like the guy is serving sandwiches on the buffet line (in his case eating may of them before it gets into the hands of the players) :chuckles:

But seriously who is making decisions in personnel? Banner is not a scout or a GM, and we are led to believe that Lombardi has no power. Sounds like a recipe for another poor offf season of blowing draft picks and over paying for mediocre free agents.

 

[Erbium]

Holy god this situation isn't that complicated.

They wanted Kelly. Didn't get him. Hired Chud on the condition that he needs to show improvement and wins in the short term. Chud failed to do that with 5 pro bowlers on the team, and pissed games away in the fourth quarter. He is fired, and they are trying to get a big name.

There is ZERO reason to keep a guy for just stability's sake. You think the Chiefs regret not keeping Crennel for three years to give him his chance? You think the Seahawks regret getting rid of Mora to bring in a big name in Carroll? Come on, man. They weren't asking for Chud to make the playoffs. 6-10 or 7-9 with a strong finish to the season and Chud is still here. They went 1-9 in the last ten games. No reason to keep him when he can be easily replaced.

The problem with having no stability since 1999 is that it makes the Browns an undesirable job. You are going to only attract mercenaries, and people who wont have opportunities elsewhere.

I'm familiar with the Gase family (MI family, with Toledo ties), and I would be mind blown if he even considered coming to Cleveland. This is a place where coaches come to die (have any of our former HCs coached again, as a HC since 99? Just the Walrus). Adam is well aware that you get 1, maybe 2 chances tops, to be a Head Coach in this league; why risk going to a franchise that has no stability, no quarterback, and an owner under federal indictment? Will he even get 2 years if he comes here? Not going to happen. These young coaches are a lot more mindful of their rise to the top then people think; They calculate their success rates, and make decisions according to what will improve their league-wide standing (Adam for example, had an opportunity to take the OC job in Dallas 2 yrs ago, and instead chose to stay in Denver as the QB coach for Manning's 1st yr). Most career minded young coaches know that coaching teams like the Raiders, Browns, Vikings, Bucs, even Washington, is a last resort....you either have to be desperate for an opportunity, or chasing dollars.

I never loved the Chud hiring, and am not sad to see him go, but the Browns management isn't doing us any favors in making this franchise a more desirable landing spot.

IMO, We are going to have to settle for a retread guy.

 

[Smooth]

And people said Chip Kelly (a college coach for just four years) couldn't run an offense with 280 pound lineman like he did at Oregon.

If you have the dynamic and innovative ideas it takes to beat other teams in this offensive NFL climate, experience is secondary.

Don't think that's a fair comparison at all... Kelly had been an OC a New Hampshire for 7 years where he shattered records and then proceeded to the same at Oregon for a couple years before becoming the HC...

He changed the way players train, the way they practice and how they run an offense...

He'd also been a college coach for 22 years...

Gase has been running Peyton's offense for 1 year now... He's been in the NFL for 8 years, was in college for 2.... Really?

I can understand the whole young and dynamic thing but the last thing the Browns need is a under experienced, under qualified candidate who probably isn't ready to take over what a major project the Browns job is... It's much more than just simly coaching...

The Browns need someone with a good rep and/or experience to bring instant credibility; that's not Gase by any means..

Although I would enjoy the step away from the BB tree...

 

[godfather]

Whisenhunt or bust. God forbid we hire a coach that's actually been to the SB, and has real experience. Hiring young coaches is part of "developing" because they themselves don't have much, if any experience, and are learning on the job themselves.

That's why I'm scratching my head over the Chud firing, then I hear some names being floated that seem like just another placement. If the Browns don't have that kind of patience, then hire an established head coach. Simple solution!

 

[Erbium]

I can understand the whole young and dynamic thing but the last thing the Browns need is a under experienced, under qualified candidate who probably isn't ready to take over what a major project the Browns job is... It's much more than just simly coaching...

And the last thing a young, dynamic and inexperienced coach needs is to come coach the Browns. You get no QB, and short shelf life.

 

[Birdy89]

Excellent point I saw made.

Joe Banner loves touting his 14 year period of riding Andy Reid's coattails.

Would he give Reid out as a reference to any future coach about the joys of working with Joe Banner?

Reid would tell whoever it is to run far and fast.

 

[AZ_]

Don't think that's a fair comparison at all... Kelly had been an OC a New Hampshire for 7 years where he shattered records and then proceeded to the same at Oregon for a couple years before becoming the HC...

He changed the way players train, the way they practice and how they run an offense...

He'd also been a college coach for 22 years...

Gase has been running Peyton's offense for 1 year now... He's been in the NFL for 8 years, was in college for 2.... Really?

I can understand the whole young and dynamic thing but the last thing the Browns need is a under experienced, under qualified candidate who probably isn't ready to take over what a major project the Browns job is... It's much more than just simly coaching...

The Browns need someone with a good rep and/or experience to bring instant credibility; that's not Gase by any means..

Although I would enjoy the step away from the BB tree...

What is wrong with Gase's rep? He's developed a pretty damn good reputation in a short amount of time.

We know that he's been rapidly promoted at every stop along his short career, and in his one year as a coordinator teamed with Manning to produce the best year of his career.

Again, if you've established a reputation at a young age and have the understanding of how to command players, age is a non-issue.

If Gase is that guy, I just don't care at all about his age.

He's older than Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Tomlin, John Madden and Don Shula were when they got their first NFL coaching gig.

If you've got the coaching gene, you've got it. Age ain't nothing but a number at that point.

 

[Los216]

Jay Gruden

 

[AZ_]

Excellent point I saw made.

Joe Banner loves touting his 14 year period of riding Andy Reid's coattails.

Would he give Reid out as a reference to any future coach about the joys of working with Joe Banner?

Reid would tell whoever it is to run far and fast.

“I’m a big Joe Banner fan,” said Reid when asked to characterize their relations. “I spent 14 great years with him and we had a ton of success together. He was one of those instrumental in me being part of the Philadelphia Eagles and he gave me every opportunity along with (owner) Jeffrey Lurie to win football games.

“He’s a brilliant guy. He knows football, he knows talent, he knows what it takes to win. I think he will do a nice job there.”

“Joe was able to pick up and put his mark on (the roster),” said. “I think he will do a tremendous job. I think Cleveland is very fortunate.”

Reid had final say in football decisions in Philadelphia, while Banner was viewed more as a money man, a salary-cap manager and player contract negotiator. The coach was asked about Banner’s level of involvement in talent evaluation.

“In today’s football, the capologist and personnel those two have to be tied in hand and hand,” Reid said. “There are no walls in this thing anymore. ... Everybody blends and communicates. Everybody has a say in things and then you come to a decision. ... That’s how it works. Joe is involved in everything. We had no secrets. That’s not how we operated. We did it together.”

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Can you please STFU now with your fabricated BS? Thanks.

 

[Smooth]

Regarding Gase...

Per Lane Adkins: "Being told Gase will not interview during the playoffs."

From La Canfora: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...ill-obrien-may-hold-key-to-nfl-coaching-moves

"The idea of working another year on a great staff and working with Peyton Manning is very appealing to Gase, with 2015 more of the expected time frame for him to pursue head coaching jobs, sources said. Plus, it would take a pretty strong commitment from a team to lure him from what is an outstanding situation in Denver."

From Broncos fans: http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=539073

"Gase isn't ready but have at it I guess"

"I agree.

When teams do this - go after "hot coordinators" who aren't ready - it is evidence they are a dysfunctional franchise, lacking real football people in leadership positions in the organization."

"I agree with you guys concerning Gase. Still too unproven to be seriously considered by any legit front office in search for an upswing. "

 

[AZ_]

Regarding Gase...

Per Lane Adkins: "Being told Gase will not interview during the playoffs."

From La Canfora: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...ill-obrien-may-hold-key-to-nfl-coaching-moves

"The idea of working another year on a great staff and working with Peyton Manning is very appealing to Gase, with 2015 more of the expected time frame for him to pursue head coaching jobs, sources said. Plus, it would take a pretty strong commitment from a team to lure him from what is an outstanding situation in Denver."

From Broncos fans: http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=539073

"Gase isn't ready but have at it I guess"

"I agree.

When teams do this - go after "hot coordinators" who aren't ready - it is evidence they are a dysfunctional franchise, lacking real football people in leadership positions in the organization."

"I agree with you guys concerning Gase. Still too unproven to be seriously considered by any legit front office in search for an upswing. "

I could not possibly care less about fan comments, but that's a bummer if true about his unwillingness to interview.

One would think he stands a pretty good chance of succeeding John Fox as well, so he could be hanging around for that.