Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[SanduskyCav]

I don't blame people for being tired of hearing the wins and losses argument. If you use other measures, such as QBR, McCown still didn't play as well or as consistently as Hoyer last season.

Most measures I'm looking at say Hoyer wasn't good in four games (JAX, HOU, BUF, IND) he was between effective to good in the other nine games. McCown played well against Washington but stunk to the depths of the Hoyer 3 game rough patch in nine games. I read reasons McCown wasn't as bad as the numbers suggest, I read reasons Farmer thought Hoyer was worse than the numbers suggest.

I personally feel like I'm getting sold a line, but then again this is all pre-free agency and nothing really matters until the pads go back on. Proof will play out if and when Hoyer is slinging the ball for another team and McCown is under center for the BRIGHT Orange and Brown.

What I think matters more to journalists trashing the move from Hoyer to McCown is what it represents in the grander scheme: Another year, another person who wanted to contribute leaving on bad terms with some bullheaded personalities at the top.

I agree. McCown is not better than Hoyer. However, at the same time McCown doesn't believe that he is better than he is, Hoyer does. Neither of them are the answer for the Browns. Farmer better have a fucking plan.

 

[Chris]

I don't blame people for being tired of hearing the wins and losses argument. If you use other measures, such as QBR, McCown still didn't play as well or as consistently as Hoyer last season.

Most measures I'm looking at say Hoyer wasn't good in four games (JAX, HOU, BUF, IND) he was between effective to good in the other nine games. McCown played well against Washington but stunk to the depths of the Hoyer 3 game rough patch in nine games. I read reasons McCown wasn't as bad as the numbers suggest, I read reasons Farmer thought Hoyer was worse than the numbers suggest.

I personally feel like I'm getting sold a line, but then again this is all pre-free agency and nothing really matters until the pads go back on. Proof will play out if and when Hoyer is slinging the ball for another team and McCown is under center for the BRIGHT Orange and Brown.

What I think matters more to journalists trashing the move from Hoyer to McCown is what it represents in the grander scheme: Another year, another person who wanted to contribute leaving on bad terms with some bullheaded personalities at the top.

Believe me, you're not going to find me making the point that we somehow upgraded the QB position...

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

We probably got a guy who would give us about the same amount of production but it willing to accept a backup role if he doesn't perform well.

Brian was a dramatic nightmare who wanted to be the starter no matter what, no questions asked. And he didn't deserve it here. Maybe the Titans or Texans will give him his shot, but I doubt it.

And I think it's funny how people say that McCown wasn't close to Hoyer last year without citing the fact that McCown, for the most part, was a co-offensive coordinator. McCown, in the past, has shown to be nearly the same exact type of player as Hoyer.

 

[AZ_]

I don't blame people for being tired of hearing the wins and losses argument. If you use other measures, such as QBR, McCown still didn't play as well or as consistently as Hoyer last season.

Most measures I'm looking at say Hoyer wasn't good in four games (JAX, HOU, BUF, IND) he was between effective to good in the other nine games. McCown played well against Washington but stunk to the depths of the Hoyer 3 game rough patch in nine games. I read reasons McCown wasn't as bad as the numbers suggest, I read reasons Farmer thought Hoyer was worse than the numbers suggest.

I personally feel like I'm getting sold a line, but then again this is all pre-free agency and nothing really matters until the pads go back on. Proof will play out if and when Hoyer is slinging the ball for another team and McCown is under center for the BRIGHT Orange and Brown.

What I think matters more to journalists trashing the move from Hoyer to McCown is what it represents in the grander scheme: Another year, another person who wanted to contribute leaving on bad terms with some bullheaded personalities at the top.

Everyone wants to contribute.

And it's nice that Hoyer was a local guy who "gave it his all" or whatever storyline there which needs to be pushed.

But he's one of the bullheaded personalities in this discussion, and it ended up getting him run out of town.

The sad fact is, that's no big loss.

 

[Tornicade]

Jets just got Brandon Marshall for a 5th round pick. I would of though the value of Austin showed with an experienced veteran receiver would of put the Browns in the fold on a guy like Marshall who is a higher tier received even with injury issues.

Browns constant neglect of the Wide receiver situation certainly doesnt do any of the qb's the browns play any favors.

Regardless of your take on who drafted Manziel they all came out and said he was a backup and would need to beat out Hoyer

I also dont suspect the quarterback issue was simply a matter of haslam or farmer impsoing their will on Shanahan. shanahan had to juggle the offensive line. there was a carousel at running back ,The uptempo offense was scrapped at some point for whatever reason. at of things going on to create friction besides the quarterback going on last season

 

[AZ_]

Austin Miles

 

[The Oi]

Was Hoyer known to be a locker room cancer/dramatic/nightmare/bull-headed?

I don't recall seeing any of that anywhere, but that seems to be the narrative in here now.

@Maximus, what do you know on that?

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Eagles just re-signed Sanchez...Foles available now? Go get him?

 

[Randolphkeys]

Brian was a dramatic nightmare who wanted to be the starter no matter what, no questions asked. And he didn't deserve it here. Maybe the Titans or Texans will give him his shot, but I doubt it.

Making things up about ex-Browns seems to get people on your side quickly, but it's still fiction. Hoyer outplayed Manziel from August through December. That is why he wasn't taking a benching quietly. Since the other coaches and players saw the same things Hoyer saw, very rarely did anyone publicly take Manziel's side when the media tried to get the QB controversy boiling.

All I've read from Hoyer is that he wants a shot at starting, no demands for a starting spot. I think he is likely going to end up in the same role with another team. His career leading up to playing with the Browns was a good team-oriented guy. Fact and fiction should be much clearer when he is away from the Browns abject dysfunction.

 

[macbdog]

I find it odd that folks here can't understand why Hoyer, who got benched for a guy who was not even remotely ready and only got back in when said replacement for hurt, would want a guarantee he would get a legit shot to start. Are we forgetting that the same GM he would have been negotiating with was the same one texting down play calls, apparently upset with whatever Hoyer was doing? I think that is just good negotiating sense. It isn't about a guarantee to start- it is about a fair shake. He wanted an assurance that if he outplayed Manziel he would be playing. The Browns instead signed a QB who is happy to do whatever as long as the paycheck clears.

 

[AZ_]

Fact and fiction should be much clearer when he is away from the Browns abject dysfunction.

Like when he was cut by the Cardinals and Steelers, you mean?

 

[Phills14]

I would love for the browns to somehow get foles on the cheap.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Like when he was cut by the Cardinals and Steelers, you mean?

Nothing better to do, huh?

 

[AZ_]

I would love for the browns to somehow get foles on the cheap.

Absolutely agree.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

People bickering over Hoyer vs McCown need to take a step back and see the forest not the trees. Hoyer and McCown are both steaming piles of poop, just one has corn in it and the other doesn't. Neither is the answer, nor is Manziel. The Browns were the Browns and blew their wad on Manziel, which set them back once again. Then, the Browns fell into a cupcake schedule and it vaulted them to more wins than they had any business earning. Those wins also over-inflated people's opinion of Hoyer as the team's QB. It may be a blessing in disguise as Winston and Mariotta don't seem to be top level QBs.

The team needs to draft a first round QB next year unless they can get Foles for a mid-rounder. I just hope the crop next year are better than the past couple.