Dion Waiters

[czvo]

You start Morrow at the 2 for the spacing and trust that your defensive scheme can do a good enough job of hiding him. In the grand scheme of things, you really don't need a lock down defender at the 2. Also, the difference between Dion and Morrow defensively isn't nearly as big as the difference between Morrow and Dion offensively.

 

[czvo]

And yet they started Roberson all freaking year. Talk about squeezing the floor. Dion actually might not be a terrible spot up shooter, despite his down year. The first two years showed he was capable, if not good at shooting catch and shoot 3s.

Scott Brooks also insisted on starting Perk and playing D-Fish 25 minutes a game. I don't think saying they started Roberson is an argument in favor of starting Dion.

 

[Tornicade]

Scott Brooks also insisted on starting Perk and playing D-Fish 25 minutes a game. I don't think saying they started Roberson is an argument in favor of starting Dion.

Instead of who? rookie Steven Adams or Nick Collison

Fisher didnt average over 17 minutes for either of his last two seasons and averaged 15 minutes when OKC went to the conference finals.

The playoff series fisher averaged over 20 minutes Westbrook was out

Perk started 3 games for OKC this season.

 

[Real Deal]

How is this thread still going so much better things to discuss

 

[Simon]

Bruh, I haven't seen qaws on here in ages .

Whatever happen to him? He was entertaining to say the least.

 

[David.]

Dion didnt fit with the locker room politics it had nothing to do with his skillset or playing style.

Yea he was a fantastic ball player. Everyone was just threatened by how much he was over achieving and didn't want the offense flowing as smoothly as it was.

What I'll miss the most is his awesome attitude and affinity for common sense and self reflection. Not that you need to look past his extraordinary high PER of <10, but the most important note on him was that he was a team player headed in the right direction.

Close this Fucking thread. I guess wait until the end of next season when he's officially out of the nba if you want

 

[Tornicade]

Yea he was a fantastic ball player. Everyone was just threatened by how much he was over achieving and didn't want the offense flowing as smoothly as it was.

What I'll miss the most is his awesome attitude and affinity for common sense and self reflection. Not that you need to look past his extraordinary high PER of <10, but the most important note on him was that he was a team player headed in the right direction.

Close this Fucking thread. I guess wait until the end of next season when he's officially out of the nba if you want

Waiters PEr for the Cavs 12.2 this season His Lowest of the three seasons he was here.Who said he overachieved?

who said his teammates felt threatened by him?

What I stated was Locker room Politics for the Cavs whatever they are Dion didnt fit into and it seems he just might be in OKC

 

[All4One1ForAll]

I thought the days were over when some posters on here relentlessly defended him despite terrible play...

 

[Futuredome]

Except Brooks put singler in at small forward and yanked him to put Dion at small forward and then when roberson was out he kept Dion in the starting lineup and continued starting Dion at the 2 when roberson returned.

Scott Did a typical rookie benching of Dion and then placed him back in the starting lineup.

Brown bench Dion not becuase of Dions play but to mistakenly try and accomodate a broken whiny Bynum.

It will be an interesting offseason for the Thunder to see who wins out the starting shooting guard spot but unllike prior seasons the point guard and starting small forward are open to sharing the court with Waiters.

as far as Marion not being in the rotation . Cavs brought in two guards and Marion is a forward. Inserting Marion in allowed the team to form some chemistry early in the system. Im not seeing this arguments made in respect to Joe Harris , Mike Miller and any of the other guards The Cavs tried out before putting Marion out there.
James told Dion to study Dwayne wade and then got to camp and was told to be Danny Green.

Dion didnt fit with the locker room politics it had nothing to do with his skillset or playing style.

Yes, yes, the Waiters haters will hate, but they don't think objectively because of the hate. Kevin Love was supposed to the 2nd option. In Layman terms, part of what Smith does, Kyrie was supposed to do. Dion was supposed to do what current Kyrie does/some of what Smith does. But the catch and shoot was going to be Kyrie's job. IMO, Kyrie told Lebron he wasn't going to have any of it during the summer and told Lebron he was going to be the 2nd option. Lebron(and Blatt) imo, didn't like it, but he was stuck with his "decision". So he played half-ass and "rested" until they could trade Dion for a Center and Shooter. Dion comes to camp, told by Blatt to shoot 3's.............just think how you would react? IMO, they tried trading Dion over the summer, but couldn't get the deal done. That is why Lebron didn't offer Dion to come and work with them. Kevin Love frankly,has looked unhappy since training camp and we all know why. I am no fan of the trade, it was a overpay, but Love was bs'd as much as Dion.

For Dion, it is getting his shot back into shape and for the Thunder to get healthy and improved in the frontcourt. Their frontcourt defense was atrocious.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

Yes, yes, the Waiters haters will hate, but they don't think objectively because of the hate. Kevin Love was supposed to the 2nd option. In Layman terms, part of what Smith does, Kyrie was supposed to do. Dion was supposed to do what current Kyrie does/some of what Smith does. But the catch and shoot was going to be Kyrie's job. IMO, Kyrie told Lebron he wasn't going to have any of it during the summer and told Lebron he was going to be the 2nd option. Lebron(and Blatt) imo, didn't like it, but he was stuck with his "decision". So he played half-ass and "rested" until they could trade Dion for a Center and Shooter. Dion comes to camp, told by Blatt to shoot 3's.............just think how you would react? IMO, they tried trading Dion over the summer, but couldn't get the deal done. That is why Lebron didn't offer Dion to come and work with them. Kevin Love frankly,has looked unhappy since training camp and we all know why. I am no fan of the trade, it was a overpay, but Love was bs'd as much as Dion.

For Dion, it is getting his shot back into shape and for the Thunder to get healthy and improved in the frontcourt. Their frontcourt defense was atrocious.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that Kyrie was supposed to take a backseat to Dion Waiters? Dion wasn't bad this season because we didn't give him a bigger role. Dion was bad because he's just not that good of a player. When will the excuses stop? He's not even on our team anymore!

And there is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that Kevin Love was "supposed to be the 2nd option." I think more people actually expected Kyrie to be the 2nd option and Love to play what people called "the Bosh role."

 

[Jscc]

I expected them to be option 2a and option 2b. Kyrie is the first perimeter option, Kevin is the first post option. When they're having difficulties in their respective roles, they switch--Kyrie drives/slashes, Kevin spaces/stretches.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

In Layman terms, part of what Smith does, Kyrie was supposed to do. Dion was supposed to do what current Kyrie does/some of what Smith does. But the catch and shoot was going to be Kyrie's job. IMO, Kyrie told Lebron he wasn't going to have any of it during the summer and told Lebron he was going to be the 2nd option. Lebron(and Blatt) imo, didn't like it, but he was stuck with his "decision". So he played half-ass and "rested" until they could trade Dion for a Center and Shooter. Dion comes to camp, told by Blatt to shoot 3's.............just think how you would react? IMO, they tried trading Dion over the summer, but couldn't get the deal done. That is why Lebron didn't offer Dion to come and work with them.

You...just made all that shit up out of thin air. Seriously, you have absolutely no source for any of it. But you've nevertheless invented conversations, then the responses to those conversations, then the various reactions. All based on nothing more than....what, exactly? "Logic"?

It's really quite astounding. You've just assumed (essentially) that Dion was "supposed" to play the point, and Kyrie the SG. And you've then assumed that the Cavs and Blatt wanted to take one of the best isolation players in the league based on PPP-- you know, the guy who can actually finish at a ridiculously high rate -- and turn him into just a "catch and shoot" player. And Dion would then be the other guy who would penetrate and score. Rather than, you know, taking the guy who can't finish, but who showed some catch and shoot ability last year, and making him the catch and shoot guy.

No coach in their right mind in the entire league would use those two guys the way you describe. It's sheer idiocy.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

If you're going to speculate as to why Dion was frustrated, maybe start with the obvious. He'd been an aggressive offensive player in college, and was good at both penetrating and finishing at the college level. But this critical part of his offensive game simply didn't translate to the pros. He couldn't overpower guys like he did in college, and he turned into a poor finisher in the pros. His constant screaming/complaining that he was supposedly fouled on virtually every drive to hole confirms this. The guy just couldn't/can't believe that what worked so well for him in college just doesn't work in the pros. So, he tried to make up offensively for that missing part of his game by jacking up more bad shots. Which just made things worse, not better.

To be effective on the offensive end, a 2 guard must be able to score reliably either with jumpshots, or by penetrating and scoring. Preferably, both. Dion couldn't penetrate and score, which meant he really needed to become a much better jump shooter, which didn't happen.

 

[Futuredome]

You...just made all that shit up out of thin air. Seriously, you have absolutely no source for any of it. But you've nevertheless invented conversations, then the responses to those conversations, then the various reactions. All based on nothing more than....what, exactly? "Logic"?

It's really quite astounding. You've just assumed (essentially) that Dion was "supposed" to play the point, and Kyrie the SG. And you've then assumed that the Cavs and Blatt wanted to take one of the best isolation players in the league based on PPP-- you know, the guy who can actually finish at a ridiculously high rate -- and turn him into just a "catch and shoot" player. And Dion would then be the other guy who would penetrate and score. Rather than, you know, taking the guy who can't finish, but who showed some catch and shoot ability last year, and making him the catch and shoot guy.

No coach in their right mind in the entire league would use those two guys the way you describe. It's sheer idiocy.

Again, it is what it is. Kyrie taking up so much of the game took away from Waiters aggressiveness. IMO, Dion spent to much time looking to piggyback Lebron like Wade, he didn't keep on working on his shot like he should of. I think Love knew the answer before camp opened, but Waiters was in the dark to camp opened.........then Blatt told him to be a 3 point shooter. riiiiiiiiiiiiiippppppppp!!!!!

 

[Rich]

I can't see who Q-tip is carrying on this convo with because the person is ignored, but it's easy to tell. There is only person on the website who has invented an entire last 3 years for Dion Waiters life. I'm not sure if futuredome has the most vivid dreams in the world and he can't tell them from reality, or if he's wirtten an entire fictional book series about Waiters and has just managed to convince himself what he's written is true, but it really is masterful how much he just makes up, out of thin air, about the guy.