Four Team Deal Sends Howard to Lakers

[randymoss1881]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

I am also fairly certain we get Bynum now. Orlando has to trade him and they can only trade him to 2 spots la or Brooklyn and they don't want Lopez. I think we we finally give up zeller it will make the deal we would take off 3 of there bad contracts plus giving them a pick and leaving them with only Davis bad contract.

 

[Thunder]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Bynum will not sign an extension, it makes no sense for him. Grant probably does not want to give up much for a 1 year rental, and this is probably the biggest obstacle in the discussed 3 way trade between ORL/CLE/LA. Why would we give up valuable picks and young prospects for a possible 1 year Bynum rental? I bet Grant is only willing to give up some late picks and other players (maybe Varejao) instead of risking the farm on Bynum. LA probably wants to get this deal done, but the only way they can do is either find a third team to replace the Cavs or a 4th team added on that can provide Orlando with the assets they want.

In my opinion, the chances of a deal with Bynum coming to the Cavs is very low. And the only way I see him here next here is if he gets signed and traded to us, because he wants the full 5 yr max.

 

[Ohiostate7000]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

If Howard plays out this season with the Magic does he become an unrestricted free agent? If that is the case, then I dont see why the Magic would think they think they still have leverage with the threat they might get better offers for Howard at the trade deadline? If Im Howard I just tell every team at the trade deadline not named Brooklyn, " I will not resign!!!"....I think the Magic are overplaying their hand and the window of opportunity to trade Howard (for more than a bag of peanuts) only gets smaller as time goes on.

 

[Tornicade]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Im not so sure anyone signs bynum to a 6 year or even 5 year deal with all his surgeries. most likely a 2 or 3 year deal with options. Bynum would be better served taking the extension and then signing a big guaranteed contract to take him into his thirties..

If bynum does sign the extension the lakers will not be able to trade him until around the trade deadline during the season.

Cavs just need to know that Bynum is open to signing witht he cavs. an extend and trade is certainly not going to happen . so an extension would leave the rockets as the only viable trading partner before the season ends.

If the rockets do not make a trade with the magic before the season starts. I just dont see it happening. The Rockets may believe with a full season they could convince howard to stay. a 1/3 of the season? forget it.

That would leave a mid season trade between the Lakers and the Nets again. with only a few months to go before he becomes a free agent. Im just not sure how the Magic would believe a better offer will come.

If no extension is signed. Cavs have a better chance of keeping bynum if the trade was to be done now. It would be more of a gamble mid season with less time to get bynum acquainted with the organizations.

personally I think bynum would love cleveland. JJ hickson got more love from cleveland than bynum ever saw from the lakers.

some people appear to be looking at bynum as a centerpiece. he is not. he would be a builing block. Irving is the franchises current centerpiece and the club would not have traded any pieces that would cripple them going forward. Cavs would have alot of cap space next year and would just continue their build.

 

[ice cream man]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

If Howard plays out this season with the Magic does he become an unrestricted free agent? If that is the case, then I dont see why the Magic would think they think they still have leverage with the threat they might get better offers for Howard at the trade deadline? If Im Howard I just tell every team at the trade deadline not named Brooklyn, " I will not resign!!!"....I think the Magic are overplaying their hand and the window of opportunity to trade Howard (for more than a bag of peanuts) only gets smaller as time goes on.

Yeah, he's unrestricted.

Houston signing their rookies just makes me believe that this thing will drag on into the season...again. Whether it's from us, the Nets, or Lakers, Orlando is not gonna get everything they want (1. picks 2. players 3. cap relief). They should have accepted that because now the competition for Dwight is decreasing, and my guess is they wait until the deadline and hope it increases again.

 

[CleFanMike]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Yeah, he's unrestricted.

Houston signing their rookies just makes me believe that this thing will drag on into the season...again. Whether it's from us, the Nets, or Lakers, Orlando is not gonna get everything they want (1. picks 2. players 3. cap relief). They should have accepted that because now the competition for Dwight is decreasing, and my guess is they wait until the deadline and hope it increases again.

Trying to use logic here, which is probably useless considering we're talking about Orlando...

It just doesn't make sense to drag this into the season. First off, there is the draft pick issue. That team needs to begin a rebuild. If they play a half season with Dwight they're going to kill their chances of a high draft pick. There is no way they're going to make up the difference in between a Top 3 pick or a pick in the 10-14 range just by holding out for the hope of a better offer at the deadline. Second, for them to trade Dwight AND unload bad contracts they're going to be asking the team that trades for Dwight to almost assuredly blow up their entire roster. Contenders that don't think they'll have a shot at resigning him won't do that mid-season. That leaves them only three options; Lakers, New Jersey, and maybe Dallas. Is the New Jersey package so much better than the Cavs that they're willing to take the draft pick hit just to wait until they can get it back on the table?

Personally, I think Houston signing their picks means they're moving on. They can do so much better with their assets than renting Dwight. In a year or two when some of those rookies and young players breakthrough they'll either be able to build from within or package them to get a couple of stars, ones that may actually want to stick around.

 

[STAT]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

This is not really just specific to a possible Bynum deal, but just a question in general.

If it came down to it, would you be more willing to give up TT or Zeller? Despite the great discrepancy in their draft positions (albeit in different drafts), I think this is a tough question.

Further, which do you think is a more desirable asset around the league (this may be skewed in Zeller's favor because of his cheaper contract)?

 

[wuck]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Well, the Magic did conclude one item of business. As long predicted, they finally hired Jacque Vaughan (former player, 37-year old) as their coach.

 

[RikSmits]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Well, the Magic did conclude one item of business. As long predicted, they finally hired Jacque Vaughan (former player, 37-year old) as their coach.

He's pretty young.
There will be veterans in the league who will have played against or with him.
Shouldn't be a problem for him in Orlando, with Turkoglu the eldest player and a prime target to get unloaded in a Howard deal.
Apparently Doc Rivers is quite high on him.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

This is not really just specific to a possible Bynum deal, but just a question in general.

If it came down to it, would you be more willing to give up TT or Zeller? Despite the great discrepancy in their draft positions (albeit in different drafts), I think this is a tough question.

Further, which do you think is a more desirable asset around the league (this may be skewed in Zeller's favor because of his cheaper contract)?

Much rather trade Zeller. Av's only going to play so long, and TT is a better long-term fit alongside Bynum. I really like Zeller, but ultimately TT has a much higher ceiling. I'd also have to say that TT is a more desirable around the league. Defensive minded, athletic bigs who can rebound and run the floor are always going to hold a higher value.

 

[CardiacCavs]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

I'm still not convinced that it would be smart for the Cavs to trade away valuable picks, and/or our young important players for Bynum simply because we don't know if he will re-sign with us. It is a VERY risky proposition that if it blows up in our face could set us back a few years in the rebuild. IMO, It's highly likely that Bynum won't agree on an extension until he hits free agency, so in my mind that makes this possible Bynum to Cle scenario very unlikely, and risky (borderline not worth it).

I see us more of in the same boat as Houston possibly trading away valuable pieces for a one year rental of Dwight.

 

[col63onel]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

I'm still not convinced that it would be smart for the Cavs to trade away valuable picks, and/or our young important players for Bynum simply because we don't know if he will re-sign with us. It is a VERY risky proposition that if it blows up in our face could set us back a few years in the rebuild. IMO, It's highly likely that Bynum won't agree on an extension until he hits free agency, so in my mind that makes this possible Bynum to Cle scenario very unlikely, and risky (borderline not worth it).

I see us more of in the same boat as Houston possibly trading away valuable pieces for a one year rental of Dwight.

It is definitely a risk.

 

[PosterTime]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

I'm still not convinced that it would be smart for the Cavs to trade away valuable picks, and/or our young important players for Bynum simply because we don't know if he will re-sign with us. It is a VERY risky proposition that if it blows up in our face could set us back a few years in the rebuild. IMO, It's highly likely that Bynum won't agree on an extension until he hits free agency, so in my mind that makes this possible Bynum to Cle scenario very unlikely, and risky (borderline not worth it).

I see us more of in the same boat as Houston possibly trading away valuable pieces for a one year rental of Dwight.

In order to win championships in this league, you take risks and go for it all. It is our greatest chance to win and also our greatest risk, but it really isn't as bad as it seems. Andrew Bynum would have to be fucking stupid to leave us in free agency if traded here. Because we're the best city ever? No. Because we'd have his Bird rights and he'd be quite dumb to leave money behind.

 

[CleveRocks]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

This is not really just specific to a possible Bynum deal, but just a question in general.

If it came down to it, would you be more willing to give up TT or Zeller? Despite the great discrepancy in their draft positions (albeit in different drafts), I think this is a tough question.

Further, which do you think is a more desirable asset around the league (this may be skewed in Zeller's favor because of his cheaper contract)?

We have more invested in TT, so all things being equal you keep him. That said, it really depends on how the coaching staff see it, pretty much a vector from TT's progress.

In any case, we don't offer either one. Orlando gets picks, AV, Boobie, and a place to drop some stupid contracts..... That is all. No reason to drop either pick. I think Houston finally realized they had a great draft, and stopped the madness. Really Orlando ought to be kicking themselves in the ass for not taking the picks before the draft. They would have been well on the way to a rebuild. Now they are just as likely to drop into a very big hole when Howard hands them the shaft...

 

[nime]

Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Sources: Howard could be traded soon

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With Dwight Howard reiterating his wish to be traded, multiple league sources believe the Orlando Magic will again step up efforts to find their All-Star center a new team.

Several of those sources told FOX Sports Ohio on Saturday they believe Howard could be traded by the end of the week.

Howard has been at the center of trade rumors for the better part of a year. He met with new Magic general manager Rob Hennigan last week, and according to reports, said he would still like to be dealt. Otherwise, Howard reportedly indicated, he will leave via free agency at the end of the 2012-13 season.

While some sources said the Magic could possibly hold on to Howard until the February trading deadline, the majority seem to think the team will again work the phones and see what develops.

The Magic hired Jacque Vaughn as their new coach Saturday -- and may want to act quickly in putting together a roster that doesn't include the circus-like atmosphere created by the Howard saga, sources said.

That could mean again reaching out to the Los Angeles Lakers, a destination to which Howard is supposedly open to. It could also mean possibly trying to involve a third team with the assets and salary-cap room to help facilitate a deal, such as Cleveland or Houston.

The Magic paused trade discussions this past week, sources indicated, to focus on hiring a coach and getting gauge on where Howard stood.

Of course, that didn't necessarily remove the Magic or Howard from the headlines.

Following the news of Howard's meeting with Magic executives, NBA commissioner David Stern accused Howard's agent, Dan Fegan, of leaking details to the media.

"It's very unique, especially if it's driven by a quote source that happens to be Dwight's agent," Stern told USA Today of the Howard situation. "'A source in the meeting.' Oh, OK, who might that be?"

Stern added that he didn't believe the source was Hennigan.

"No, I don't, and I don't think it's (Magic CEO) Alex Martins either," Stern said.

Things took on a new twist shortly thereafter -- as Fegan later admitted to being the source in an email to another news outlet.

With these recent developments in mind, and a new coach in place, FOX Sports Ohio sources believe the Magic will again press the accelerator in an attempt to move Howard.

The target mentioned most is the Lakers, who also possess an All-Star center in 24-year-old Andrew Bynum. Like Howard, Bynum's contract expires at the end of the season. And like Howard, Bynum met with team executives last week to discuss his own situation.

Details of the Bynum-Lakers talks were kept considerably quieter, but several sources close to Bynum believe he is open to a trade. However, Bynum's agent, David Lee, has repeatedly stated that he has yet to speak with another team about his client.

Several recent reports said that team could be the Cavaliers -- with Bynum going from the Lakers to the Cavs, Howard going from the Magic to the Lakers, and the Magic receiving multiple unspecified players and draft picks in return.

Such a trade would be complicated, with the Cavs needing assurances from Bynum that he'd sign an extension, and likely a willingness to take back a player with a large and lengthy contract from the Magic. Also, sources said, the Magic did not want the spare parts that would be coming their way.

This week, however, that could change. According to sources, it all depends on if the Magic finally accept what they can get for Howard now, or whether they are willing to risk losing him for less, or eventually, for nothing.

Here we go. The Bullshit Whisperer is back and ready for final round.