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Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

The rockets singing there rookies could have meny checkmate for us. We were the only 2 teams ever rumored with the 3 way and we have the most cap available that's willing to take back the contracts. So hopefully the rumors of Bynum liking us are real which I believe they are. Bynum with TT and Irving, DWait I like where we could be going with this. Orlando needs to be smart getting rid of all there bad contracts and being bad is the way to rebuild not trading Howard keeping bad contracts and being mediocre. With henningin ring from okc he will want to follow that motto and our deal provides that.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Thompson, Zeller, capspace & picks will be the centerpieces for Orlando.....I can feel it.
 
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I'm still not convinced that it would be smart for the Cavs to trade away valuable picks, and/or our young important players for Bynum simply because we don't know if he will re-sign with us. It is a VERY risky proposition that if it blows up in our face could set us back a few years in the rebuild. IMO, It's highly likely that Bynum won't agree on an extension until he hits free agency, so in my mind that makes this possible Bynum to Cle scenario very unlikely, and risky (borderline not worth it).

I see us more of in the same boat as Houston possibly trading away valuable pieces for a one year rental of Dwight.

If you play it safe with every trade/signing you would end up like Milwaukee and be mediocre year after year. It involves risk to get to that next level in this league. Even though this could be a high risk trade, it could also be a very high reward.
 
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This isn't any other franchise. Cleveland has been burned by FAs and has a very difficult time getting top talent to come here.

If he doesn't sign an extension as part of the deal, then no deal. His word means nothing.

One more year in the lottery and develop the players you have and will get. Plus, you have your superstar in Kyrie, and the rest and young and talented.

A one year rental is Kyries ticket out of town. No thanks.
 
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Anyone who thinks an extension is needed to complete this deal is fooling themselves. He loses way too much money to sign an extension. It will never happen.

What the Cavs would need as an assurance he'd re-sign at the end of the year. Of course, it could only be verbal, therefore making it unbinding.
 
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This isn't any other franchise. Cleveland has been burned by FAs and has a very difficult time getting top talent to come here.

If he doesn't sign an extension as part of the deal, then no deal. His word means nothing.

One more year in the lottery and develop the players you have and will get. Plus, you have your superstar in Kyrie, and the rest and young and talented.

A one year rental is Kyries ticket out of town. No thanks.

so cavs entered into these trade discussions with the expectation that Bynum would sign a rarer than rare extend and trade .and have 4.5% added to his contract instead of 7.5?? how much sense does that really make

If bynum has already decided he wouldnt sign with the Cavs thats the only scenario where the cavs dont take him because of his contract status,

the actions of the front office appear to support that they would trade to acquire bynum without an extension.

I could see the rockets possibly offering a better package ofor bynum once they concede howard to the lakers. Overall all though id orlando pulls the trigger and the cavs are in play. they take the contract as it is
 
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Bynum wants the most money and a larger role. If we traded for him without an extension (which is probably the only way), we'd have his bird rights. We'd be able to offer him the most years and most money with a defined role as the premier big man and legit 2nd option. I believe he would resign here.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

I'm ready for this shit boys. Let's get this thread all fired up again soon! I'm expecting this bad boy to be back in Cavs Talk again :rolleyes:
 
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I don't think the rockets signing the rookies makes that much difference. If they can be traded 30 days later, that's plenty of time to get it done. They would all be available officially at the end of August. Preseason does not begin until October 9' and camp, not until October 1. Unofficially, there is nothing to stop the rockets from making that deal in principle and then executing the day the rooks can be traded.

While I want to believe we could land Bynum, Orlando would be stupid to pass up the Rockets offer, if it is what has been reported.

A word about trading for a one year rental: I think you could make argument that you could get as much in a sign and trade after Bynum reaches free agency, as you gave up for the one year rental. While there are a lot of teams with cap space, LA is not one of them unless they can move Gasol. new York is not one either, Nor will Boston be one unless they don't sign Garnett.. You have Bynum, Howard, Paul, griffen, Harden all entering free agency to name a few, that will be eating up the cap space available. So I think if Bynum wants to leave, a sign and trade is the likely path. In a sign and trade the receiving team knows they will have him for five years, as opposed to the risk of losing them after only one.

If he does not mind staying, then having him on the roster in the first place, makes that easier for both sides. That said I still think the offer reported by Houston is a reach. I think they should take a look at that rookie class for a year, then go shopping in free agency next year. I really like the class they are sitting on.
 
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Bad by Design, Rockets Gamble on Payoff Later

The general manager of the Houston Rockets, Daryl Morey, is one of the more accessible and accommodating fellows in the game. When I teasingly asked him exactly when he left the Rockets to become the general manager of the Development League’s Rio Grande Valley Vipers, he laughed.

“I can see that someone looking at our roster from afar might wonder what the heck we’re doing,” he said.

You think?

Right now the Rockets, who won 34 of 66 games last season and finished two games out of the West’s No. 8 playoff spot, look to be among the worst teams in the N.B.A. A quick glance at their roster shows that 19 of their 23 players, as listed on the team’s Web site, have three years experience or less. Five are rookies; eight have one year of N.B.A. experience. Obviously, the roster will have to be cut by opening night of the 2012-13 season.

The only veteran holdover of any consequence is Kevin Martin. Since June 27, Morey has traded or released six rotation regulars from last season, including perhaps his best player, Luis Scola. The Rockets released Scola under the amnesty clause in a move that will save the team $21 million over three seasons. Goran Dragic was allowed to sign with Phoenix as a free agent. Samuel Dalembert, Kyle Lowry, Courtney Lee and Marcus Camby were traded for draft picks, young players or both. The two primary off-season signings were Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik, who, together, have played in 212 games.

The method behind the madness? Morey, who spent time with the Boston Celtics during the last decade before moving to Houston, is trying to recreate what Danny Ainge did in Boston to acquire Kevin Garnett. Ainge succeeded by developing young players (Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Delonte West) to the point that they became valuable trading chips in deals a month apart for Garnett and Ray Allen in the summer of 2007.

“It’s very similar to what Boston did,” Morey said. “Hopefully, it will yield the same result.”

The goal for Houston: the Los Angeles Lakers’ Andrew Bynum or the Orlando Magic’s Dwight Howard. Morey cannot comment officially on either player, but it is well known that he would love to make one of them a Rocket.

This is what also enabled Ainge to trade for Garnett and Allen: He had lottery picks to offer because the Celtics were terrible for two straight seasons. And he had a good buddy in Kevin McHale, who is now the Rockets’ coach but was running the Minnesota Timberwolves, Garnett’s team at the time, a circumstance that cannot be discounted.

After this season, Morey is certain to have at least one lottery pick (his own), and he could have another from Toronto as well. Let’s just say he is not envisioning challenging the Oklahoma City Thunder or the Lakers in the Western Conference this season.

“Last season, we won more than half our games with a roster of youth and experience,” he said. “I liked what we had, but we didn’t have enough.”

This time, he could end up with draft picks, young, intriguing players and salary-cap space in which to make his run at Howard or Bynum. That’s the plan, anyway.

“We’ll be very well set up in a year,” Morey said.

But this is where it gets dicey for the Rockets. Why would Bynum or Howard or any marquee player willingly sign with a bad team? Yes, there might be the possibility that one or more of the Houston youngsters could, in fact, become an All-Star-caliber player. But is that going to happen in the next 12 months, when Bynum could hit the free-agent market? Or in the case of Howard, in the six months before the N.B.A. trading deadline?

What seems inevitable is that Lin and Martin could put up some big numbers for a very bad team this season. One of the articles of faith in the N.B.A. is that young teams do not win. It is still only late July, but Morey said that this was probably the team McHale will have to coach come October, possibly with a tweak or two.

The Rockets have not made the playoffs since 2009, despite having a winning record in each of the last three seasons. The franchise has won one playoff series since 1997. Neither one of those streaks is in any danger of ending in 2012-13, with the exception of the winning record. The Rockets may not be Charlotte Bobcats-bad, but they could end up battling the Sacramento Kings to stay out of the cellar in the West.

Houston does indeed have a problem, but, if Morey is correct, it is a short-term annoyance with a big, long-term payoff. If he is wrong, he can start making plans for annual visits to Secaucus, N.J. The Los Angeles Clippers’ customary seat at the draft lottery looks as if it will be available for a while.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/s...ong-term-payoff.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss
 
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Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

If this trade happens it will include Zeller. I think that's why this has taken as long as it has. When can our rookies be traded, again?
 
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If this trade happens it will include Zeller. I think that's why this has taken as long as it has. When can our rookies be traded, again?

August 5th. (they were signed on July 5th)
 
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Why Bynum might want an extension.
Options for Howard and Bynum

As impending free agents, should either consider an extension if traded?

Updated: July 30, 2012, 12:35 PM ET
By Larry Coon | ESPN Insider
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Getty ImagesConventional wisdom says Howard and Bynum should wait for free agency.

Everyone thought there would be a resolution to the Dwight Howard situation by now. Instead, August is almost here and Howard still a member of the Orlando Magic -- and just as determined to leave as he ever was.

The Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets all tried to put together a blockbuster trade package, only to find dead ends. Compounded by Howard's childish ambivalence and waffling, everyone is weary and ready to move on. The Lakers are frustrated. The Magic are frustrated. Howard is frustrated. And now Houston has signed its draft picks, which means they can't be traded for 30 days -- as late as Aug. 25 if Jeremy Lamb is included in a deal.

So what's the holdup?

Ironically, the same system that was supposed to help give teams the ability to retain their players is now making it harder for the Magic to find a suitable deal for Howard, even when they are ready to trade him.

One confounding factor is teams' hesitation to give up the farm to acquire a star player as a one-year rental. Teams contemplating a Bynum acquisition face a similar predicament. Orlando wouldn't want to trade for Andrew Bynum only to find themselves in the same situation they were in with Howard.

Similarly, any team that acts as a facilitator by taking Bynum would need some assurance that he'll stick around past June. Such assurance has not been forthcoming.

One sticking point has been the rules related to extensions:

1. A free agent can sign for up to five years when re-signing with his prior team, or four years when signing with a new team.

2. Extensions are limited to four years, but always include the remaining years on the player's current contract. Players like Howard and Bynum therefore can only add three new seasons via extension. Even if the extension is signed on June 30, the day before the player becomes a free agent, the current season counts as one full year toward the extension.

It's an odd limitation, given that the league's goal with the new collective bargaining agreement was to help improve the ability for teams to retain their star players. So players such as Howard and Bynum are left to choose between adding three years of security via an extension, versus four or five by first becoming a free agent. It's no surprise that they might prefer to wait for free agency, even if they intend to re-sign with their prior teams.

But this means that any team trading for one of these players has to assume the risk of losing him in next summer's free agent market. Trade offers will be lower as a result, making Magic GM Rob Hennigan less likely to pull the trigger on a deal.

Let's look at four additional factors weighing down this process:

1. Injury risk
A four- or five-year contract could vanish if either player sustains a career-ending injury before becoming a free agent. Is this likely? Not necessarily -- Howard is coming off back surgery, but his surgeon said he should be fine even if he proves to be not quite ready by the time the season starts.

Bynum has a history of knee problems, but some of those injuries were flukes (like when Kobe Bryant rolled into his knee), and he completed the 2011-12 season without any issues. Players risk injury every time they take the floor, but career-altering or career-ending injuries are rare.
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2. Maximum salaries
There are three tiers, which are based on the number of years the player has been in the league. A player with 10 or more years in the league has a higher maximum salary than a player with seven-to-nine years, who in turn has a higher maximum than a player with fewer than seven years. The maximum salaries change each year in conjunction with the salary cap. For example, this year the maximum for a player with 0-6 years is $13,688,750; for a player with 7-9 years is $16,402,500; and for a player with 10 or more years is $19,136,250.

A player can always receive up to 105 percent of his previous salary in a new contract, even if that amount is above the league-wide maximum. Howard is on the books for $19,536,360 in 2012-13, and is slated to become a free agent next summer, when he will have nine years under his belt. This means that his 2013-14 salary can be up to $20,573,178 if he signs as a free agent.

The salary in the first season of an extension is limited to 107.5 percent of his previous salary, but cannot be above the maximum. This means that Howard could receive no more in an extension than he could receive by becoming a free agent. In other words, there is no incentive for Howard to sign as a free agent in order to receive a higher salary.

Gary A. Vasquez/US PresswireHoward and Bynum are well positioned for recurring max deals in their careers.

Bynum is a more difficult case to analyze. He is slated to earn $16,889,000 in 2012-13, and would enter free agency next July with eight years in the league. This means he would be able to sign a new contract for $17,733,450 next summer (105 percent of his previous salary most likely will be higher than the 7-9 year maximum). For Bynum, a five-year contract starting at this amount would total slightly less than $102 million.

But what if Bynum becomes a free agent in 2015, when he has 10 years in the league? He will be better off financially if he can sign for more than $20.393 million that season, which would happen if the maximum salary for a player with 10 or more years in the league rises by at least 2.2 percent per year between now and then -- which seems like a safe bet.

This means one possible strategy for Bynum would be to sign an extension now, adding the full three years to his contract but including a player option in 2015. He could then opt-out that summer and re-sign as a free agent with 10 years in the league. If the maximum salaries rise 4.5 percent between now and then (matching the league's revenue projections) he will earn an additional $5.2 million in 2015-16 through 2017-18 -- certainly nothing to sneeze at.


So while maximum salaries will not weigh into Howard's decision, Bynum could be better off signing an extension now in order to become a free agent when he has 10 years in the league.
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3. Career earnings
The theory is a player will have greater career earnings if he signs his last maximum contract at the highest possible age. For example, a 31-year-old is more likely to command a five-year contract than a 35-year-old.

The limiting factor here is the Over-36 rule, which limits teams' ability to sign older players to lengthy contracts. The machinations of this rule are complex, but it all boils down to this: a 31-year-old player can sign a full, five-year contract, but a 32-year-old (or older) player can't. Both Howard and Bynum potentially will increase their career earnings if they time their contracts so they become free agents at age 31.

Stephen Dunn/Getty ImagesHoward and Bynum's financial futures are somewhat tied together.

Howard is 26 now, and will be 27 when he becomes a free agent next July. If he signs a five-year contract next summer with an option at the end of the fourth season, he will have the ability to become a free agent again at age 31 -- right at the perfect time.

However, Bynum would need to sign a six-year contract to become a free agent again at age 31, which is not allowed. In order to become a free agent again at the right time, he needs to sign two contracts, or a contract and an extension. Again, if Bynum signs an extension now and includes a player option in 2015, he could opt-out that summer and re-sign as a free agent. In addition to re-signing as a 10-year veteran, a five-year contract with a player option would allow him to become a free agent again at age 31.
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4. New CBA
The fourth factor to consider is the collective bargaining agreement. It runs through the 2020-21 season, but either side may opt-out in 2017 and re-open negotiations. This means there could be a different set of rules in effect starting with the 2017-18 season. Both Howard and Bynum may be safer if they sign new contracts in 2016, rather than waiting until there is a new -- and potentially less favorable -- collective bargaining agreement.

Bynum's aforementioned strategy of signing an extension with a player option works in his favor. If it looks like either side will opt-out of the agreement, he could play out his option year in 2015-16, sign a new contract in 2016 and not have to become a free agent again until 2021. Howard's situation is more difficult -- he would have to sign for one season fewer in order to become a free agent in 2016, or he could follow in Bynum's footsteps by signing an extension now. In either scenario he would be risking money for the sake of a hypothetical situation where a less favorable collective bargaining agreement awaits.

Bottom line for Bynum: Should he be involved in a blockbuster deal for Howard this summer, his new team would have to accept him as a potential rental. But they can rest somewhat easier knowing it is in his best interest to sign an extension before he becomes a free agent next July. However, if the Lakers extend Bynum in the near future, he will be off the market until close to the trade deadline.

Bottom line for Howard: Howard has indicated that he will re-sign in Los Angeles next summer, so they should trade for him now and negotiate a new contract with him next July.

Despite the Magic's recent grumbling about waiting to deal Howard, it's clearly in their best interest to trade Howard now and start the 2012-13 season without the circus that followed them last season and this offseason.
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He would need to wait 6 months after a trade to get the 7.5% raises.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Am I reading this correct? It may actually be beneficial for Bynum to sign an extension after he would be traded and before free agency?

If the Lakers signed him to an extension before they traded him, could he be sent to the Cavs if they are over the cap? Lakers would need to wait 6 months before 7.5% trade kicker applied? That wouldn't make much sense.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

Can anyone explain why they made it in the interest of the player to become a free agent rather than sign the extension? It does seem like a flaw in the CBA. Doesn't it mean that more and more teams will be on edge when their superstars need re-signed, not knowing if they are going to bolt or just sign a new contract?
 

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