Game Thread | Game #19 | Cavs @ Bucks | Nov. 25, 2022

[Tlyons]

Giannis was getting absolutely punked his first couple years in the league. Give Mobley the time every other big gets.

 

[redscoon]

Garland lead the way with….3 assists. That isn’t going to cut it. Giving up 25 dunks to Giannis in the 3rd quarter was bad, but they lost the game because they scored 10 points. Supporting cast got super tight and wanted nothing to do with shooting the ball and Garland and Mitchell couldn’t hit anything to stop the bleeding. One of them really needs to get to the foul line there to quiet the crowd, but we just got a bunch of dribbling and low percentage jumpers.

Another game where the absence of Rubio hurts. He was really good at preventing the wheels coming off last year where Garland has a tendency to compound matters with unforced turnovers and poor shots.

 

[Alec]

JBB: “ The bucks were willing and able to take it to playoff level intensity and physicality. We’re still learning how to do that.”

“[why the offense struggle is due to the] intensity and pressure of the defense. It was like quicksand.”

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Giannis played at MVP, not superstar level tonight. Cavs had no chance even had JA played a healthy 30 minutes. Kind of like Joel against Cavs last season. An MVP level performance will subdue the Cavs at their current level every time.

No. The Cavs had control of the game even with a 22pt Giannis first half.

It’s when the rest of the Bucks got loose, mostly due to the Okoro and Lopez combination, on both ends, that we got subdued. Allen changes everything against Milwaukee. The Cavs are a team where we rely on the sum of all of our parts. Just can’t survive losing Allen defensively against the Bucks and instead of sacrificing the defense fully and going small, we went with Lopez and Okoro..and at that point it doesn’t matter. You’re not competing with the Bucks playing those two guys together for big spurts

 

[Rich]

Giannis was getting absolutely punked his first couple years in the league. Give Mobley the time every other big gets.

I was gonna say does anyone remember the Bucks being the 1 seed and being up 2-0 on the Raptors and then getting just squashed and then following that up with a 2nd round exit to like a 40 win Boston team in the bubble?

 

[Jscc]

We don’t even need that from Mobley though. Even if he was like a Siakam level player that would be enough. I just don’t see it happening though tbh, and I’m probably alone on that. But he just gets pushed around so easily and lacks offensive skills in general. Even if he bulks up, there’s the concern about how his mobility will be affected given he’s a narrow framed guy.

Siakam has been in the league for 7 years now. And he was an inferior player to Mobley in his first 2 years.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

While I’m not ready to say it yet, I think it’s possible we might need to flip Allen in the off-season for a more competent offensive C. I think Mobley eventually gets there, but we might need a guy that can be a threat at least from three.

Just watching the Bucks play, if you swapped out Lopez with Allen they would be amazing defensively, but without him or Portis in the with Giannis it’d be singnificantly harder for them offensively.

 

[DCTribefan]

No. The Cavs had control of the game even with a 22pt Giannis first half.

It’s when the rest of the Bucks got loose, mostly due to the Okoro and Lopez combination, on both ends, that we got subdued. Allen changes everything against Milwaukee. The Cavs are a team where we rely on the sum of all of our parts. Just can’t survive losing Allen defensively against the Bucks and instead of sacrificing the defense fully and going small, we went with Lopez and Okoro..and at that point it doesn’t matter. You’re not competing with the Bucks playing those two guys together for big spurts

Well we do agree that playing 0k0r0 for any minutes against teams like the Bucks makes us instantly non-competitive.

 

[CavsFaninNJ]

I was gonna say does anyone remember the Bucks being the 1 seed and being up 2-0 on the Raptors and then getting just squashed and then following that up with a 2nd round exit to like a 40 win Boston team in the bubble?

Siakam has been in the league for 7 years now. And he was an inferior player to Mobley in his first 2 years.

Yeah...Look if yall think Mobley has no shot to improve greatly, at least compare him to the guys you want him to be like when they were in year two. Giannis, KG, Siakam - none were as great as you want Mobley to be right now in their second year. He's ahead of all of their curves.

Mobley was exceptional because he is one of the only bigs we've seen make a big difference on the defensive end as a rookie. That itself was something you can’t say about any of these guys.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

JBB: “ The bucks were willing and able to take it to playoff level intensity and physicality. We’re still learning how to do that.”

“[why the offense struggle is due to the] intensity and pressure of the defense. It was like quicksand.”

It is SO like this clown to chalk everything up to “intensity and heart and toughness”

Mortherfucker, no, your counter to losing Allen for the night was to go 3 on 5 offensively and 4 5 defensively. You could hop the entire lineup up on crystal Fucking meth and all the intensity in the world is not going to be able to change the Bucks, an ELITE practiced defensive juggernaut being able to juice up the pressure against a Lopez and Okoro lineup on one end, and then run it down your throat on the other.

They would run Giannis at the high screen and roll, Robin would drop because he can’t do shit else, Giannis would swing the ball immediately back to holiday, who would fly around Brook Lopez who would lay Okoro out, and then have a 2 on one, Jrue or whoever the weak side handling option thst flew up over the Brook screen was and Giannis in the short roll versus a flat footed Robin Lopez in the paint. Guess what? Robin steps up? Fucking dunk. Robin doesn’t? Wide open mid ranger. Anyone helps on the guard, Weakside help ..I.E Mobley…ball goes to Giannis who gets the shoulder past and ends it at the rim or on a short kick to Portis or strong side shifts and it’s a quick bloop pass to the wing, who will tap or touch pass it to the corner. Goodnight San Francisco.

It just amazes me how a ball handler can wave a red sheet around and coax Okoro like a bull into getting absolutely fucking laid out by a step up screen from the FT line to the top of the key. Either he doesn’t watch film, can’t comprehend it, or something…because whether it’s Klay Thompson or Brook Lopez stepping up to the spot, he’s literally barreling into them time after time.

 

[catfish]

Giannis plays like Lebron played during his first stint with us-all power. His second time was much more finesse-Lebron just decided he was a perimeter player-which meant he was still best player in game but not as awe inspiring.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Yeah...Look if yall think Mobley has no shot to improve greatly, at least compare him to the guys you want him to be like when they were in year two. Giannis, KG, Siakam - none were as great as you want Mobley to be right now in their second year. He's ahead of all of their curves.

Mobley was exceptional because he is one of the only bigs we've seen make a big difference on the defensive end. That itself was something you can’t say about any of these guys.

In the last 25 years or so at PF, the only guys that were where so many seem to think Mobley should be in their 2nd seasons were AD and Duncan, both of which made All-NBA and All-Defensive teams. Few players in league history can make those types on claims as 2nd year players. It’s not even remotely realistic.

 

[Pierre Pan]

I don't see the Cavs beating the Celtics or Bucks if they don't have a skilled player on offense who is taller than 6'5". I hate statements like this - they sound hyperbolic - but the Cavs rebuild, as constructed now, does need a Mobley jump. That being said, I'm not ruling it out.

We did beat Boston twice already this season though, and both games on their home court

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Also Bickerstaff spent our 3rd q beat down chasing refs up and down sidelines, across the court, wherever they went. Again was giving up huddles to other coaches. I can’t respect that man. It’s hurting the team.

 

[CavsFaninNJ]

Some people even said that

We did beat Boston twice already this season though, and both games on their home court

I hear you, and while that does matter, I’m talking in a playoff series. I don’t think he Cavs can beat the Celtics in a 7 game series this year. I could be wrong. I know they can’t beat the Bucks this year, if both teams have similar health.