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Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

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This draft made me even more mad at Johnny for not taking shit seriously. If this team had a QB, even with the deficiencies at offensive skill positions, we're still a playoff team. I would love for him to turn it around so that we don't flush this season down the toilet and have a desperate need at QB next year.
 
This draft made me even more mad at Johnny for not taking shit seriously. If this team had a QB, even with the deficiencies at offensive skill positions, we're still a playoff team. I would love for him to turn it around so that we don't flush this season down the toilet and have a desperate need at QB next year.
I dont understand this line of thinking. Even though there was a few of us rooting for Johnny to have immediate success it certainly wasnt expected. not only that the pistol wasnt an idea transition offense for Manziel because they primarily ran a different offense with a separate playbook and it tried to structure his improvisational skills .

Instead Manziel should of been part of the regular offense with plays designed to keep him in the pocket and utilize checkdowns to create good habits.

It quite apparent from the complaint of Johnny not organizing his own 7 on 7 workouts that the the first team had no interest in the pistol and instead of the linemen helping Johnny call the plays which they expected to do in the first place they were almost as confused as Johnny was.

Johnny's first year at texas was a redshirt season where his main team responsibilities was to watch and learn and The Browns set that expectation when they told him to act like a backup quarterback.


I dont really see it as a wasted year. Manziel got the NFL experience and got the information he needed to prepare for his second. which is what some who werent keen on Manziel anyways were advocating.

The team knew what they drafted. they werent lied to or fooled. Hopefully the coaching stadff and management have learned from their own mistakes as Johnny appears to have recognized his own.

The worst record in the playoffs was 10-6. Browns finished 7-9. 5 of their wins were against teams with a combined record of 19-60. 2-7 against teams with winning record.

The team was going nowhere fast. The Browns had a 30% 3rd down conversion rate 2nd worst in the league.

The bar is set pretty low for the Browns to improve offensively this season from last season.
 
So...I kind of agree with Torn on this, but hear me out.

The Browns changed their entire offensive philosophy when Manziel got on the field last year. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out because of the formations and plays they started to run. I think Shanahan had a very high opinion of Manziel, thought he could recreate that RGIII magic and thought Manziel was ready to go. Now we know exactly how stupid of an opinion that was, because Johnny need restraint, just like every other rookie QB who has entered the NFL.

Enter Flip, a guy who has come out and said it doesn't matter which QB is out there, they expect them to run the offense that he builds. What does Farmer and Pettine do? They get together, have the scouts and coaches watch the tape together, form a cohesive plan of what they want to do, and execute that plan on draft day. And for offense, we drafted a run mauler, a running back, an H-Back, a project Big WR, and a blocking TE. If that doesn't tell you exactly what the Browns are going to do, I don't know what will.

So my thinking is this: Every rumor I've seen, and every thing I've heard, Johnny has been staying at the facility, working out, getting every little piece of work he can in. If the door isn't locked, supposedly he is in there. We haven't seen him at a ton of Cavs games since OTA's started, nor has he been seen partying or at baseball games or in Vegas. What we've seen and heard is Johnny is studying hard. Now I see this and think that maybe he has figured it out.

When watching the Browns last year, did anyone truly think Hoyer had an amazing arm? Was he overly accurate? Was he composed against the pressure that he began to face? I didn't think so. What Hoyer was, however, was he was overly prepared. He knew the play that he was given, who was supposed to be where, why, and when. When he took the last step of his drop, boom, the ball was in the air and on the receiver. He had one trait that was literally among the tops in the NFL, because he saw guys like Brady and how they knew the playbook.

Take another example. We saw Connor Shaw for one game against the Baltimore Ravens and on the road. Overall, he kept them in the game until the end against a playoff contender. He allowed for the Browns to do their job, to run the ball, and he was prepared to hit guys when they were open.

I watch those two guys, I see how they did in a ground based offense. IF Johnny is truly committed to learning the playbook, if he learned from those two guys who were clearly ready and able to take the field and look competent to run an offense when their time came, and he is putting in the time and effort...why can't Johnny be, at least, an average NFL QB next year? He has better arm talent than both of those guys. Say what you want about him pushing the ball into traffic, the guy is certainly better than Connor Shaw.

The way that Johnny has acted since leaving rehab is very encouraging. Supposedly he went on his own accord and the Browns didn't influence him. I don't care why he did it, clearly he figured something was wrong because he stayed for 10 weeks. Willing or not, he recognized the problem while he was there. And ever since the start of OTA's, it's been nothing but hearing about him staying 3 to 5 hours MORE to put in work just on tape. Maybe Hoyer rubbed off on him and his study habits. Maybe he was truly embarrassed by his 7 quarters next year and knows he needs to be better. Or maybe he's phoning it in and he really thinks he can skate by on his own talent.

What I do think is if Johnny comes into training camp with the offense down, I don't see a reason why he cannot be an average NFL starter next year. Whether he can ever be anything more than that, I don't know. But for right now, his steps have been both encouraging and impressive. Hopefully, for all our sake, it pays off.
 
For me, a person who saw through his crap early on only to be proven right last year it's hard to take your view point Amherst. I understand what you are getting at and it could end up positive in the end, however; there is such a long track record of Manziel saying the right stuff but when it comes down to it, his actions don't back it up.

We shall see if his new found dedication is a permanent personality change or if he reverts back to his old self. My expectations for him are very low and he will have to show me on the field over a long period of time that he is a changed man. However the good news for him, based on this off season, he will be given his shot to become the starter here.
 
For me, a person who saw through his crap early on only to be proven right last year it's hard to take your view point Amherst. I understand what you are getting at and it could end up positive in the end, however; there is such a long track record of Manziel saying the right stuff but when it comes down to it, his actions don't back it up.

We shall see if his new found dedication is a permanent personality change or if he reverts back to his old self. My expectations for him are very low and he will have to show me on the field over a long period of time that he is a changed man. However the good news for him, based on this off season, he will be given his shot to become the starter here.

I agree. He's said the right things before then gone back on his word. OTOH....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...commitment-is-night-and-day-from-last-season/

Joe Thomas: Johnny Manziel’s commitment is “night and day” from last season
Posted by Josh Alper on April 29, 2015, 7:49 AM EDT
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Earlier this month, Browns left tackle Joe Thomas said that he thought quarterbackJohnny Manziel “lost probably a lot of trust” in the locker room with the way he handled his brief ascension to the starting job last season and that he hoped to be “blown away” by Manziel’s commitment to football when the team started offseason work.

We’re in the second week of that work and things seem to be trending in the right direction. Thomas said that it is “pretty apparent” that Manziel realized how important football is to him based on the work that he’s putting in now.

“Towards the end of the season, even when he wasn’t there, obviously, missing meetings and practice and things like that, it’s just little things, and when you’re a quarterback it’s the little things that are the most important,” Thomas said on NFL Network, via the Akron Beacon Journal. “I think those were the things that were apparent by the end of the year, and I think he saw them in himself based on the things that he said right after the season and the steps and the actions that he took in January, February and March. To see the guy in the building right now is night and day from where he was last year in his commitment, and I think he has a bright future ahead of him.”

It remains to be seen whether more April commitment will relate to improved performance on the field, but it’s a necessary step for that improvement to happen.

Joe hasn't been one to sugar coat this year in regards to Manziel too. So I think maybe he's figured it out.

Idk, it won't matter until the results happen on the field.
 
You know who else has been saying all the right things to the media the past month?


Alex Mack.


Browns just drafted his replacement for 2016.


That is the clearest example of how much words are worth in the NFL world in May.
 
Fair enough Keys. My reply would be...Alex Mack may have no intention of leaving if the Browns provide a good team.

Again, doesn't matter till it happens on the field. But it's an encouraging sign.
 
No doubt, it's an encouraging sign. I'd rather see him trying his hardest to make himself a NFL QB than blowing off another weekend in Vegas to watch the Maryweather fight. Old Johnny certainly would have been there.

I won't allow myself to take the bait on this guy until he proves it on the field for an EXTENDED period of time.
 
For me, a person who saw through his crap early on only to be proven right last year it's hard to take your view point Amherst. I understand what you are getting at and it could end up positive in the end, however; there is such a long track record of Manziel saying the right stuff but when it comes down to it, his actions don't back it up.

We shall see if his new found dedication is a permanent personality change or if he reverts back to his old self. My expectations for him are very low and he will have to show me on the field over a long period of time that he is a changed man. However the good news for him, based on this off season, he will be given his shot to become the starter here.

The one thing that should be said on this is that he is now saying that he should be judged by his actions and not his words.

At least he realizes now that all the bullshit he spewed was absolutely meaningless.
 
You know who else has been saying all the right things to the media the past month?


Alex Mack.


Browns just drafted his replacement for 2016.


That is the clearest example of how much words are worth in the NFL world in May.

I don't think Erving necessarily signals that he is gone, just that they want to be prepared in the event that he does leave.

With how much we clearly want to run the ball this year I think that also wanted to have better depth on hand in case of injuries.
 
Let's give sober Johnny one more chance...
 
And just so we are clear, I don't think Johnny will ever be the guy to be the main focal point of an offense. I'm not arguing that.

But I think he has the talent to run the system that we had last year, and will likely look like the one this year, and be a good NFL QB. Is that ultimately what the Browns should strive for at QB? No, but it's a start.
 
I can't remember where I heard it, maybe it was Schefter? Someone on ESPN.

But anyways I guess Gilbert was much worse than Johnny as far as maturity issues off the field, missing team commitments, etc.

Manziel just partied too much. Gilbert was a train-wreck.

I think Johnny actually has a desire to win, have success.

I just don't think Gilbert gives a shit.
 
So...I kind of agree with Torn on this, but hear me out.

The Browns changed their entire offensive philosophy when Manziel got on the field last year. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out because of the formations and plays they started to run. I think Shanahan had a very high opinion of Manziel, thought he could recreate that RGIII magic and thought Manziel was ready to go. Now we know exactly how stupid of an opinion that was, because Johnny need restraint, just like every other rookie QB who has entered the NFL.

Enter Flip, a guy who has come out and said it doesn't matter which QB is out there, they expect them to run the offense that he builds. What does Farmer and Pettine do? They get together, have the scouts and coaches watch the tape together, form a cohesive plan of what they want to do, and execute that plan on draft day. And for offense, we drafted a run mauler, a running back, an H-Back, a project Big WR, and a blocking TE. If that doesn't tell you exactly what the Browns are going to do, I don't know what will.

So my thinking is this: Every rumor I've seen, and every thing I've heard, Johnny has been staying at the facility, working out, getting every little piece of work he can in. If the door isn't locked, supposedly he is in there. We haven't seen him at a ton of Cavs games since OTA's started, nor has he been seen partying or at baseball games or in Vegas. What we've seen and heard is Johnny is studying hard. Now I see this and think that maybe he has figured it out.

When watching the Browns last year, did anyone truly think Hoyer had an amazing arm? Was he overly accurate? Was he composed against the pressure that he began to face? I didn't think so. What Hoyer was, however, was he was overly prepared. He knew the play that he was given, who was supposed to be where, why, and when. When he took the last step of his drop, boom, the ball was in the air and on the receiver. He had one trait that was literally among the tops in the NFL, because he saw guys like Brady and how they knew the playbook.

Take another example. We saw Connor Shaw for one game against the Baltimore Ravens and on the road. Overall, he kept them in the game until the end against a playoff contender. He allowed for the Browns to do their job, to run the ball, and he was prepared to hit guys when they were open.

I watch those two guys, I see how they did in a ground based offense. IF Johnny is truly committed to learning the playbook, if he learned from those two guys who were clearly ready and able to take the field and look competent to run an offense when their time came, and he is putting in the time and effort...why can't Johnny be, at least, an average NFL QB next year? He has better arm talent than both of those guys. Say what you want about him pushing the ball into traffic, the guy is certainly better than Connor Shaw.

The way that Johnny has acted since leaving rehab is very encouraging. Supposedly he went on his own accord and the Browns didn't influence him. I don't care why he did it, clearly he figured something was wrong because he stayed for 10 weeks. Willing or not, he recognized the problem while he was there. And ever since the start of OTA's, it's been nothing but hearing about him staying 3 to 5 hours MORE to put in work just on tape. Maybe Hoyer rubbed off on him and his study habits. Maybe he was truly embarrassed by his 7 quarters next year and knows he needs to be better. Or maybe he's phoning it in and he really thinks he can skate by on his own talent.

What I do think is if Johnny comes into training camp with the offense down, I don't see a reason why he cannot be an average NFL starter next year. Whether he can ever be anything more than that, I don't know. But for right now, his steps have been both encouraging and impressive. Hopefully, for all our sake, it pays off.

I think the biggest reason why he is trying to clean up his act is because someone made it abundantly clear that fun time comes to an end if he doesn't show some level of improvement this year.

I think it's clear that they want him to win the job out of camp, similar to Carr beating out the vet QB signed in the offseason that many thought would be given the job.

And I think it's also clear that they don't want him to have to win games for us. Sure, he'll have to make plays on some third downs and limit turnovers, but I would be shocked if he throws it more than 20 times a game if everything is going to plan.

If he shows signs of progress, is at least average, and most importantly stays on the straight and narrow then I think they ride him again the following year. If that doesn't happen then I think we're spending a top pick on a new QB for the future, and possibly signing a more competent veteran option.
 

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