Love/Wiggins Trade Revisited

[macbdog]

Love
16/12/2 with 3-13 shots. Wins. +02

Wiggins
12/02/1 with 3-14 shots. Loss. -13

Another good day for the Cavs in terms of the trade.

I think we need to have a game-by-game comparison after every contest weighing whether it was worth it or not, with at least 3 opinions for each.

 

[Steve_424]

The only thing I'll say is Griffin should have held out for Dieng as well. Otherwise, I've always been good with the deal.

 

[killerkev369]

Wow if Embiid never got injured, things would be a lot different. Just thinking about it makes my head hurt.

 

[Sebastian]

What on earth are you basing that on? Windy's personal views? Yes, it is pure speculation that James made trading for Love a condition on returning. Remember the timeline, LeBron wrote the letter long before the Love trade. We held all the cards. Regardless if LeBron demanded Love we didn't have to trade for him. We didn't have to have an uneducated egotistical player run our franchise. By what you are saying we did? Again this is all speculation, assuming you are correct we still could have shown LeBron tough love and doing what was best for him and this franchise. Oh but LeBron only signed a 1 year contract he could have threatened to leave! Hogwash. If he dared to leave his legacy would've been completely tarnished and no objective NBA fan would have any sympathy for him. Oh boo hoo your team with Kyrie and other talent would not trade for Kevin Love so you can try to make another super team, poor LeBron.

I don't even understand your last sentence.

It is known.

And what you propose is total 20/20 Captain Hindsight stuff. And the official timeline isn't the same as what really occurred. The Cavs never held any cards going into this. They got lucky as fuck they won the first pick and jumpstarted LeBron's thought process.

When you are shitty team bound for another losing year, and the best player in the world makes inquiries of coming back, when he most certainly didn't have to, you pull the trigger on one of his demands rather than hope you can swing the man he wants in Cleveland at the deadline with questionable assets.

I thank God you are not a GM.

 

[Sebastian]

Well, I don't agree with bowing to Lebron either. If you put it that way, Lebron was the most expensive pay for a free agent of all time.

Certainly, given how venal LeBron can be (if one believes the Blatt rumors last week). However, the choice is contending for five years versus being, at best, a first-round exit for a few years and then a second round exit for the four after that. Not really a choice at all.

Also, I feel like this line of debate should be moved. Over-stayed the topic.

 

[CosmoKramer]

Certainly, given how venal LeBron can be (if one believes the Blatt rumors last week). However, the choice is contending for five years versus being, at best, a first-round exit for a few years and then a second round exit for the four after that. Not really a choice at all.

Also, I feel like this line of debate should be moved. Over-stayed the topic.

There is no way in hell a team with LeBron James/Kyrie Irving/Andrew Wiggins loses in the first round of the playoffs "for a few years," only to top out as second round fodder after that.

Come on, you know LeBron has never lost a first round playoff series in his career?

 

[iamacavalier]

There is no way in hell a team with LeBron James/Kyrie Irving/Andrew Wiggins loses in the first round of the playoffs "for a few years," only to top out as second round fodder after that.

Come on, you know LeBron has never lost a first round playoff series in his career?

There is a thread for wiggins/love trade. Go discuss that there because I'm sick of hearing people say we would be better with wiggins... We wouldn't.

Love impacts the game way more than people realize. Just him sitting in the corner causes havoc on Defenses. Cavs seem to be hitting their stride now.

I think with the team getting comfortable Love will start to settle in offensively and begin getting the ball where he needs it. And with The Moz in the center and eventually Shump on the perimeter that will take pressure off him Defensively.

 

[Jack Brickman]

No, it is not known you are purely speculating. LeBron was under contract, his legacy on the line, there is no way he could rage quit after the circus he again created because we didn't trade for Love in a timely manner. I don't feel like restating everything I just said again to try to get through to you.

Many blessings to you good sir!

Yeah, it is pretty commonly known that LeBron and Love were going to be a package deal. It's obvious that the Cavs put the potential Love trade on the table when they met with LeBron during free agency, and it's probable that LeBron both signed off on it and agreed to play for the Cavs because of it.

It's not a coincidence that Wiggins and Bennett were left out of LeBron's letter even though, at that time, both were set to be core players going forward. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

 

[CosmoKramer]

There is a thread for wiggins/love trade. Go discuss that there because I'm sick of hearing people say we would be better with wiggins... We wouldn't.

Love impacts the game way more than people realize. Just him sitting in the corner causes havoc on Defenses. Cavs seem to be hitting their stride now.

I think with the team getting comfortable Love will start to settle in offensively and begin getting the ball where he needs it. And with The Moz in the center and eventually Shump on the perimeter that will take pressure off him Defensively.

I didn't say we'd be better. Love makes us a legit title contender, but it's absurd to say we'd lose in the first round for years without him. Any team with LeBron James will be the favorite to come out of the East, let's not act like we'd be a pushover without Love.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I read the first few posts in this thread and was all like:

 

[LeShaq]

The Bullshit Whisperer has had enough and he's not taking it anymore.

http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story...lebron-james-andrew-wiggins-kevin-love-012915


give Love a little more time

13. I'm so sick of hearing about Andrew Wiggins and what he's doing in Minnesota. I love Wiggins' game. I think he'll be a very good pro. But first of all, Kevin Love put up huge numbers with the lousy Timberwolves, too. Secondly, Love's "disappointing" numbers with the Cavs are still better than Wiggins' stats with the Wolves. And the Wolves are the worst team in the league. Someone's gotta score.


16. Besides all that, if the Cavs had Wiggins instead of Love, I guarantee their record would be worse and they'd be getting destroyed on the boards way too often. I think Wiggins would average about 6 points per game on the current Cavs. Probably more in the future -- but right now, for this team, I'd rather have J.R. Smith (than Wiggins). And it's not even close.

 

[Snarly]

The Bullshit Whisperer has had enough and he's not taking it anymore.

http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story...lebron-james-andrew-wiggins-kevin-love-012915


give Love a little more time

13. I'm so sick of hearing about Andrew Wiggins and what he's doing in Minnesota. I love Wiggins' game. I think he'll be a very good pro. But first of all, Kevin Love put up huge numbers with the lousy Timberwolves, too. Secondly, Love's "disappointing" numbers with the Cavs are still better than Wiggins' stats with the Wolves. And the Wolves are the worst team in the league. Someone's gotta score.


16. Besides all that, if the Cavs had Wiggins instead of Love, I guarantee their record would be worse and they'd be getting destroyed on the boards way too often. I think Wiggins would average about 6 points per game on the current Cavs. Probably more in the future -- but right now, for this team, I'd rather have J.R. Smith (than Wiggins). And it's not even close.

if nothing else you will get one of each rating for a RCF record. That said The Bullshit Whisperer is right in a way. This team would be worse off for it. We already have one kid in Kyire who years a head of Wiggins and Kyrie is still a project in the making or the best. We traded Dio.... Oh crap.

 

[Dylan Windler's Mom]

Wiggins completely owning us so far tonight. He's going to be a superstar by next season. His length and quickness are freakish.

 

[gourimoko]

Wiggins

 

[elcheato]

It looks bad, and in the long run it will probably remain that way, but Wiggins would not have developed this quickly here. He needed to be in a situation where he had offensive freedom and would actually be able to control the ball to develop properly. Camping at the three point line and running in transition wouldn't have done much to improve him early on, which is what his role would have been.