More reasons (#2317 to #2319) to hate Notre Dame

[Mac]

Bucknuts has a lot of nerve to talk about the Irish when the Luckeyes barely mustered 80 some odd yards in the national title game.

That whole, dont give Tressel time to prepare thing just flew out of the window.

 

[crazedcav333]

When Notre Dame was suppossed to be this all and powerful team, but then got stomped by everyone that was any good at all, they can say what they want.

Your right though. JT went from pulling off a huge upset over 17 point favored Miami, and then gets controlled and dominated against UF.

 

[Style]

Bucknuts has a lot of nerve to talk about the Irish when the Luckeyes barely mustered 80 some odd yards in the national title game.

Bucknuts can talk trash to all teams but one, Florida. Ohio State was 12-1, with their only loss to the national champions. Another great year for JT.

Let's see, in the last 5 years Ohio State has 4 top 4 finishes, 4 bowl wins (including stomping the Irish last year), a Heisman winner, and a national title. Most Notre Dame fans would give a teste to have a stretch like that.

 

[Style]

DiNardo: Shame on ND

Ex-Irish star questions school's priorities


ERIC HANSEN
Tribune Staff Writer


The 54-year-old Gerry DiNardo was in New Orleans in January to cover the Sugar Bowl for ESPN Radio and he tried to reconcile his ouster at LSU following the 1999 season as part of the business of college sports; but that doesn't make him resent it any less.

"I was hired by a board, by a president and a chancellor and an athletic director that were powerless when I needed them most," he said.

And yet he can't see himself snuggling up to Notre Dame, a school he helped lead to the 1973 national championship, either.

"They have joined major-college football," DiNardo said of the Irish. "They've become what they never wanted to become. Football is clearly the most important thing on campus. And it wasn't that way when (coach) Ara Parseghian was there (1964-74) and he couldn't make more money than the highest-paid professor on campus.

"As an alumnus, I was always proud of the fact that it appeared Notre Dame kept football in perspective. You can't use graduation rate and academics as an argument that they have kept perspective, because when (former coach) Bob Davie got fired in 1999, he said, 'Well, we're doing well academically.' And the university told him, 'We take credit for that. Not you.'"

DiNardo cites former coach Tyrone Willingham's 2002 ouster after three years to "go after Urban Meyer" and the reworking of current head coach Charlie Weis' contract midway through his first season as his biggest reasons of discontent.

"Shame on Weis and shame on the university for giving him more money," DiNardo said. "I think that's why a lot of people root against them."

But is it the actual contract itself or the perpetuation of the mythology that accompanied it? Is it knee-jerk finances on Notre Dame's part or sloppy journalism gone wild?

Even DiNardo admitted most of his perception is based on rumor. “It’s certainly other people's perception, too," he said. "If he didn't ask for more money, what else could it be?"

The former standout offensive guard played in a Sugar Bowl himself, helping the Irish knock off Alabama in 1973 and capture the national title. His friend, Tom Clements, was the quarterback on that Irish team and the man who was passed over by ND officials when the school decided to hire Weis two Decembers ago.

"I think the biggest accomplishment Weis has on his résumé is that he's brought a lot of toughness, he's brought a lot of confidence," DiNardo said. "But there's really no signature wins. They seem to be ranked awfully high for not having one.

"I mean they've won the Commander-in-Chief's Trophy, but can you tell me what else they've done? And is there the assumption that Tyrone Willingham would have lost with a junior Brady Quinn against the same teams Charlie beat last year? I have a lot of questions."

 

[James]

I think you need to read in between the lines on this one...

"They have joined major-college football," DiNardo said of the Irish. "They've become what they never wanted to become. Football is clearly the most important thing on campus. And it wasn't that way when (coach) Ara Parseghian was there (1964-74) and he couldn't make more money than the highest-paid professor on campus.

"As an alumnus, I was always proud of the fact that it appeared Notre Dame kept football in perspective. You can't use graduation rate and academics as an argument that they have kept perspective, because when (former coach) Bob Davie got fired in 1999, he said, 'Well, we're doing well academically.' And the university told him, 'We take credit for that. Not you.'"

the guy made some very very good points, ND is one of the pristine colleges in the US, and i think the school is sort of scared its become a "football" school, almost like they feel they are ruining their reputation. Aside from there fans, i dont understand what there isnt to like about ND...they have loyal fans, and are a good wholesome type school, have a very high graduation rate amongst athletics and there have been tons of succesfull people to come out of there.

 

[Style]

Back in late April, the Sporting News’ Tom Dienhart wrote a fatuous but provocative blog on who are the current best college football coaches. Here’s his list:

Ranking the BCS coaches

1. Pete Carroll, Southern California
2. Jim Tressel, Ohio State
3. Rich Rodriguez, West Virginia
4. Jim Grobe, Wake Forest
5. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma
6. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech
7. Nick Saban, Alabama
8. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina
9. Dennis Erickson, Arizona State
10. Mack Brown, Texas
11. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa
12. Urban Meyer, Florida
13. Tom O'Brien, N.C. State
14. Bobby Bowden, Florida State
15. Tommy Tuberville, Auburn
16. Lloyd Carr, Michigan
17. Mike Bellotti, Oregon
18. Joe Paterno, Penn State
19. Butch Davis, North Carolina
20. Houston Nutt, Arkansas
21. Bill Callahan, Nebraska
22. Jeff Tedford, Cal
23. Mark Richt, Georgia
24. Jim Leavitt, South Florida
25. Mike Riley, Oregon State

Wait, where’s Chubby Charlie, you ask? If this was the PGA, you would have to say he didn’t make the cut. He was listed as #42 (out of 66 BCS schools). Is that fair? Well, I don’t know who the 24 below him were but I am sure that they are mortified by that oversight!

http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=1056

 

[cavincali]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Style]

Here's real thread titled "THE LAST TIME NOTRE DAME WON A BOWL GAME" from another board:

Otto Buck

I will throw out the opening salvo: the last time ND won a bowl...Jimmy Clausen was in kindergarten! Score one for Mr. B!!! My response...... Charlie Cheeseburger only needed one scale to weigh himself!!

Steve Helwagen

I got it ... ND has lost its last nine bowl appearances, dating to a win over Texas A&M in the 1994 Cotton Bowl. That's Jan. 1, 1994 -- a span of 13 years, 5 months and 21 days (and counting). Egads.

Buckeye4U

Public online internet was only 3 years old and shedding its thumb-sucking days.

AOL was a king of internet companies.

Broadband cable hadn't arrived at homes yet. (incredible)

Incredibly, I discovered that "internet" term became common term in 1996!! (WWW was the common word before 1996). 2 years after that last ND bowl win!

SLIMKID

Schindler's List was tops at the box office.
Mariah Carey's "Hero" topped the pop charts (Michael Bolton was in the top 5!)
Jacqueline Kennedy and Kurt Cobain were still alive.
The word "Internet" was not yet part of the popular vocabulary. (Mosaic was the dominant browser!)
Newt Gingrich and the Republicans were about to take control of Congress, and Clinton had not yet gotten in trouble with that woman.

Babyshakes

Roger Maris was the single season homerun leader.
Bill Clinton was a good husband.
Jackie Kennedy Onassis was alive
Nobody had heard of Columbine, Ted Kaczynski, or Timothy McVeigh.
Princess Di was alive and married to Prince Charles.

TBDTIBL

1 - The price for gas was a little over $1.00 per gallon.

2 - Cheeseburger Charlie actually knew what his penis looked like.

3 - Nintendo 64 was a big deal

OTTOBUCK

Alan Kline, Cedric Saunders, Jason Simmons and Chico Nelson were tOSU captains!!! They went 10-1-1 and tied for 1st in the BIG10! Yes they lost to scum but beat BYU 28-21.


BYARS

The Buckeyes had 2 fewer Heismans

Mr. B (couldn’t help myself)

Rivals hadn't started yet, Bucknuts was three years from launching and Kirk Larrabee was just starting college!

HEATER

Al Gore had just invented the internet.

MBA BUCK

Lorena Bobbit was under trial for chopping off......
Aryton Senna was still alive (the greatest Formula 1 race car driver)
George W Bush was not yet the Governor of Texas
George Foreman had not yet made his title comeback

John Locke

The Dow-Jones was setting record-breaking closing values in the 3700-3800 range.
Nancy Kerrigan had not yet been attacked by Tonya Harding.
The last big earthquake to hit Los Angeles had not happened yet.
Michael Jackson was enmeshed in his first sexual-abuse scandal.
Nelson Mandela had not yet become President of South Africa.
Jimmy Johnson was still the Dallas Cowboys head coach.
The NFL was still on CBS and NBC. FOX would start broadcasting during the 1994 season.

Bengalbux

No one besides stockbrokers and drug dealers had cell phones

OTTOBUCK

Charlie Cheeseburger was just getting his second chin!

Touchdown Jesus had a job!

Byars

Their fans were sure that the ND program was the only one that mattered and everyone else just wished they could be the Irish.

Irish got ranked 15-20 spots above where they should in the preseason polls

Irish got ranked 5-10 spots above where they should in the final polls

-Wait all that's still true!

Zonabuck

The last time ND won a Bowl Game ..... the cheerleaders still practiced abstinence.

The New York Times (August 14) on athletics at the University of Notre Dame: "Before a 1996 game against Navy in Dublin, [Joe] Moore [then a football coach] discovered a group of players gathered watching a male and female cheerleader having sex through the window of a hotel room."

Edbuck51

The last time Notre Dame won a bowl game the Irish still had all male cheerleaders.

MARINE BUCK

Forrest Gump was sweeping the Academy Awards
Murder, She Wrote was still on T.V. (jeesh)
Oklahoma City Bombing had yet to happen
Unabomber was still a couple of years away from being arrested
Conclusive evidence for Black Holes were just being revealed
Whitewater investigation begins
......this is tooooooo funny!!!! There is actually too many things to list!

http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=1080

 

[Style]

Not only is ND on a 7 game losing streak, but check out these stats:

* After the first four weeks, 109 individual players were averaging more total offense than the entire Notre Dame team offense was averaging.
* Notre Dame is still 118th in the nation in both scoring offense and total offense. Charlie Weis’s shadow has covered more ground than the entire Notre Dame offense so far this season!

http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=1845

Weis went from being an offensive guru to just being offensive. :chuckles:

 

[crazedcav333]

I find it that odd that all of a sudden, A-Mac is gone. (And don't blame it on one guy - that's not the reason, because he always said it never bothered him).

Yes, I'm sure all the OSU talk + ND being the WORST TEAM IN THE SPORT OF FOOTBALL had nothing to with it. Oh noooo.

 

[Lee]

being a purdue alumni, notre lames spiraling downfall has been fun to watch. Notre dame fans are in the same category as yankee fans and cowboy fans. Big old band wagen fans. Nothing more, no respect from me what so ever, unless you grew up in norther indiana or you went to notre dame.

 

[James]

being a purdue alumni, notre lames spiraling downfall has been fun to watch. Notre dame fans are in the same category as yankee fans and cowboy fans. Big old band wagen fans. Nothing more, no respect from me what so ever, unless you grew up in norther indiana or you went to notre dame.

or catholic....

 

[Style]

Best site ever: http://ndspn.com/

As the Notre Dame football program slowly slinks to the west of us, the players there are not unaware that some opportunities are opening and others are closing behind them. The closing doors? If you want to play football at Notre dame, there goes your chance to play for a good team or a national championship with Notre Dame in the next four years! (i.e. your college career…).

Yet, kids are both resilient and delusional. If you always wanted to go to Notre Dame, that’s a hard dream to shake. Maybe the coach in your dreams didn’t exactly look like Charlie Weis (unless you dream big) but, you want to chase that dream nonetheless.

Now, the parade runs both ways as some of the kids are opting out – off of the Notre Dame carousel of goofiness. The first to go (and well documented) was one-time superstar quarterback Demetrius Jones, who simply left the team after he saw the preference for (and preferences given to) Jimmy Clausen. After some friction, DJ will ply his craft next year in Cincinnati. The next off the bus? Superstar recruit, TE Konrad Reuland. The Domers scoffed at this because they are already bringing in more superstar tight ends.

But other current names have been bandied about: Chris Stewart and Matt Carufel, to name two. Are they still there? Are they leaving? And is it true that a few players from last year with eligibility left chose not to play for Coachin’ Charlie?

Finally, how does this affect the recruits, watching this traditional powerhouse program in full retreat? That evidence will be forthcoming but the quote from one commit could be apocryphal. Omar Hunter committed to Notre Dame in June. Now, he is looking around.

http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=1964

 

[_amon _ones]

or catholic....

I know plenty of Catholics that despise Notre Dame...

 

[_amon _ones]

Finally, how does this affect the recruits, watching this traditional powerhouse program in full retreat? That evidence will be forthcoming but the quote from one commit could be apocryphal. Omar Hunter committed to Notre Dame in June. Now, he is looking around.

Omar Hunter is a beast. He's a 6'3" 300lb DT with 4.3 speed. He is constantly double and triple teamed, and still managed 85 tackles, 13 for loss, and 6 sacks as a junior. I watched him firsthand this year, and he is exceptionally strong and quick. He was blowing through the double and triple teams that were being put on him and wreaked havoc in the backfield all game. He hit the starting QB at least 15 times, before he was replaced, and hit the replacement at least another 8 to 10 times. He was in their faces all afternoon. Just an outstanding display to watch. The only thing he lacks is technique, which can be learned. After that, he could be devastating.