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Oh, I forgot all of our prospects suck and will never become anything more than utility players. While Reddick will most certainly go on to future stardom, even though he and Trevor Crowe have nearly the same OPS since Double-A.

Only our guys won't work out....anyone else's guys....GOLDMINE!

Oh come on, quit being an asshole and talk to me here instead of trying to be funny.

I never said all our prospects suck but you know as well as I do PROSPECTS CAN BE BUSTS. Having a surplus of young talent also helps when it comes to trades.

If you'd rather have Price, Hagadone and Masterson than Reddick, Hagadone and Masterson...fine.
 
Oh, I forgot all of our prospects suck and will never become anything more than utility players. While Reddick will most certainly go on to future stardom, even though he and Trevor Crowe have nearly the same OPS since Double-A.

Only our guys won't work out....anyone else's guys....GOLDMINE!

That's because we have Eric Wedge and everyone else doesn't.
 
That's because we have Eric Wedge and everyone else doesn't.

You know, that's extreme but to a point I forgot to comment on that part of Boob's post.

The Indians don't have the greatest track record at developing their own prospects from the ground up. So yes, a guy from another team's system I usually have more confidence in especially if it's from a superb one like Boston.
 
If you're asking me what I would rather have, mid-ceiling pitching prospects or mid-ceiling outfielder prospects...I'll take pitching everytime.

All another outfielder does is clutter that situation even more.

Matt LaPorta
Shin Soo Choo
Grady Sizemore
Trevor Crowe
Michael Brantley
Jordan Brown
Nick Weglarz

I mean, do we really need to add MORE depth to that position, when our pitching looks the way it does?

Adding Reddick is just like keeping Ben Francisco around...let them figure out what they have with the guys they've got.
 
If you're asking me what I would rather have, mid-ceiling pitching prospects or mid-ceiling outfielder prospects...I'll take pitching everytime.

All another outfielder does is clutter that situation even more.

Matt LaPorta
Shin Soo Choo
Grady Sizemore
Trevor Crowe
Michael Brantley
Jordan Brown
Nick Weglarz

I mean, do we really need to add MORE depth to that position, when our pitching looks the way it does?

Adding Reddick is just like keeping Ben Francisco around...let them figure out what they have with the guys they've got.

I thought more highly of Reddick than Ben Francisco...but okay, if that's your view then I can see why you wouldn't want him.

To me, Price was the epitome of a throw in. Crowe is certainly showing something at the major league level right now but I still don't think he's an every day outfielder. Great for a 4th OF though, if he keeps this up.
 
Not sure what you see in Reddick that would make you think of more than a fourth OF either, but every teams players look great until you actually see them...at which point I have no doubt you'd be making your sardonic comments shortly thereafter.
 
Not sure what you see in Reddick that would make you think of more than a fourth OF either, but every teams players look great until you actually see them...at which point I have no doubt you'd be making your sardonic comments shortly thereafter.

Maybe.

I never implied any prospect is a sure thing, but it works both ways, especially with teams like the Indians who have a bad history developing their own talent.
 
I am only done with this team if they trade Jamie Carroll. I could live with the Victor, Lee, Garko, Raffy and now Pavano trades- but if Shapiro unloads the team's only 5-tool talent (moxie, grit, sticktoititveness, pluck, and tenacity) I will have no choice but to become a BoSox fan.
 
I love Jamey Carroll. There is no question that he has the best plate approach on this team. I think he is a severly undervalued player in this league.
 
I love Jamey Carroll. There is no question that he has the best plate approach on this team. I think he is a severly undervalued player in this league.
What is he making this year? He may be one we think about resigning. I think he has two years left in him anyway. I guess it depends on high we value some other fill in type utility infielders we have in the system who are very young.

If we do trade him by the end of this month, you can be sure he will certainly help a team in contention.
 
What is he making this year? He may be one we think about resigning. I think he has two years left in him anyway. I guess it depends on high we value some other fill in type utility infielders we have in the system who are very young.

If we do trade him by the end of this month, you can be sure he will certainly help a team in contention.

Last year we exercised our option on Carroll. He makes 2.5 mil this year. I think he will be traded next and probably the last player to be traded. Probably to some national league team. Wouldn't expect more then cash for him, a crappy prospect at best. Unlike Pavano, Carroll would not get us a draft pick at the end of the year if he walks.
 
I am only done with this team if they trade Jamie Carroll. I could live with the Victor, Lee, Garko, Raffy and now Pavano trades- but if Shapiro unloads the team's only 5-tool talent (moxie, grit, sticktoititveness, pluck, and tenacity) I will have no choice but to become a BoSox fan.






Carrol is not a 5 tool player. He is a 6 tool player. You forgot "grinder"
 
CHICAGO -- Carl Pavano became the latest Indians player to be traded when he was claimed off waivers and dealt to the Twins on Friday morning for a player to be named.

Pavano, who had developed into one of the Indians' most reliable starters, became the seventh Indians player to be traded since June 27. To take Pavano's spot on the 25-man roster, the Indians recalled left-handed reliever Rafael Perez from Triple-A Columbus.

Pavano, who signed a one-year deal with the Indians before the season, made 21 starts this year and threw 125 2/3 innings. He was in line to make several hundred thousand dollars in bonuses on top of his $1.5 million base salary in his upcoming starts. He would have made an additional $100,000 in his next start, his 22nd of the year, as well as $100,000 bonuses for throwing 130, 140 and 150 innings. Those costs now will fall upon the Twins.

Indians general manager Mark Shapiro said the trade was necessary to evaluate talent and develop starters for next season.

"We are quickly approaching the point where we had six guys for five spots that we wanted to give an opportunity to and look at," Shapiro said. "With the regular off-days that we have in September, it would have been a real challenge to keep six guys starting."

Pavano was scheduled to start Saturday's game against the White Sox. Instead, Justin Masterson will take Pavano's spot in the rotation. Masterson was acquired from the Red Sox before the non-waiver Trade Deadline expired on July 31.

Shapiro said there was only slight hesitation on the organization's part to trade Pavano to the Twins, an American League Central rival.

"I think there was hesitation just about trading him in general because the competitive side in you recognizes that he's been one of our most consistent starters and one of our best starters," Shapiro said. "I hate to take that guy off the club, but within the division at this point, no not really."

Pavano, 33, joined the Indians after four tumultuous and injury-filled years with the Yankees. He went 9-8 with a 5.37 ERA with the Indians, matching his victory total from his time with the Yankees. The nine wins were the most on the Indians' staff this season.

Perez, 27, will begin his third stint with the Indians this season. At Columbus, he was 1-0 with three saves and a 0.83 ERA in 16 appearances. With Cleveland, however, his numbers have been significantly worse. In 31 appearances with the Indians, Perez is 1-2 with an 8.88 ERA.

Perez will provide the Indians with a second left-hander in the team's bullpen to go with Tony Sipp.

Bench coach Jeff Datz, serving as acting manager on Friday while Eric Wedge attended his mother-in-law's funeral, said Perez had struggled with both his slider and fastball throughout the 2009 campaign.

"It's been a rough one for him," Datz said. "But he's here now and he has two months to get it going, and I think he'll do that."

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/ne...t_id=6301188&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle
 

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