Rating Coach Scott (WE WANT WITTMAN BACK !!!)

[adriano_leite]

Re: Rating Coach Scott

Sorry, I didn't answer sooner, but I am at the other side of the ocean, and there comes a moment in the middle of the night where you have seen enough.

My expectations have nothing to do with wins and losses (look it up in the prediction thread). It has everything to do with player development, team development (establishing offensive and defensive systems/mechanisms) and a positive, winning environment. At this point, all I can see is an emphasis on the development of two players (Dion and Kyrie), with one of them the emphasis being solely at the offensive end. With the caveat that it is a small sample size, I think that is extremely short sighted, and will not lead to the success we want.

Back to my original point: IMO, Scott is doing nothing to create a situation where the second unit can succeed. Instead of bringing the bench players in more gradually, and let a few of them benefit from playing with the starters by running some plays to give them easy baskets, his substitutions are either prompted by circumstances (TT in foul trouble) or an almost mechanic substitution pattern based on the game clock.

Simple example: when Casspi came of the bench for the Kings, they'd run a few plays with a double baseline screen to get him free for an uncontested corner 3, which used to be a high percentage shot for him. That would give him confidence and energy.

As I wrote in the game thread: when you see players like Leuer, Miles and Casspi at this point in time regress severely in comparison to their previous team, perhaps there is a more complex explanation than: they just suck. They all look lost and hesitant out there (Miles chucks up shots, yes, but is hesitant in all other aspects of the game), which makes you wonder what the rotations and coach instructions is doing for them. These are guys who have been (semi)competent on their other teams and even in this preseason, which was not so long ago...

Why are they all that bad on executing the offensive and defensive schemes? Are Sloan, Casspi, Leuer, Miles, Walton and Samuels (not mentioning some of the starters) all really stupid, or is the teacher also at fault?

Why can teams like the Thunder and Nets, who have a better bench than the Cavs and are expected to reach the playoffs, consistently play one or two of their best players with the second unit, and the Cavs can't?

Why do you let a guy who has been rotting at the end of the bench (Walton) suddenly come in near the end of the game? Did Scott honestly think that was a good substitution?

The idea that for the development of our backcourt of the future you need to have Kyrie and Dion together on the floor for most of the time is forced, and even a bit ludicrous. A good coach makes players learn from all sort of experiences. Feeling the contrast of playing with a good backcourt mate and a bad backcourt mate (Sloan) is just as much a good learning experience as watching Kyrie go one on three, while camping out at the 3-point line. By the way, why didn't Scott pull Kyrie from the lineup late in the first half and explain him that running a team isn't going 1 on 5, streetball style?

If Grant and Scott see the bench players as a bunch of placeholders while they focus almost exclusively on the development of their core, that is their right (although in the bigger scheme of things a stupid move, IMO). But then they shouldn't act as if they expect more from their bench, and neither should we.

Dude, maybe you are Casspi fan, so maybe you are pissed off because your boy really sucks out there in every game he touch the floor. Scott doesnt suck on defense, offense, ball handling, shooting, rebounding etc. When you see Casspi out there on the floor, he looks like lost. He had some strange look like if he ask himself WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING IN NBA?

The same is with other pieces of our shitty second core except Boobie. Casspi, Miles, Walton, Leuer, Samuels, Sloan, all of them are stupid. Why? Its really simple:
-Casspi is traded for a guy who is waived from Sacramento, he was able to hit some corner 3's and thats it, now he cant hit the ocean
-Sloan goes undrafted and is Atlanta cut him from roster, same with Hornets, so its something wrong with him
-Samuels also undrafted, showing some promises from time to time, but in the end of the day, we can see why he is undrafted
-Leuer is garbage, if he were NBA caliber player, Bucks would keep him
-Miles, he is not garbage like all of these other players, but he has some tough time here in Cleveland, and his problems are mental coz he must learn to play with new Coach and new teammates, and he came out of other system, but if he is garbage, Sloan would kick his ass out of Utah
-Walton is just killed by injuries and thats it.

So, the point is, Scott has a lot of shit on his bench, and is not easy to make pie out of shit, you can try, but its awful, just like our Cavs when bench players get some PT.

Walton came in because he is smarter than these scrubs, better bball IQ, even he is the same shit like these guys, but at least he doesnt make some obvious mistakes like those scrubs, and he was in coz our starters arent robots, so they need some rest too.

What good Coaches are doing you cant know, because you are not NBA Coach, and Scott definitly knows everything about the basketball better than you do.

Scott didnt pull out Kyrie, because Kyrie cut the deficit to -10, so thats why, coz he plays with scrubs and he must sometimes do all by himself. When AV and Dion are out there, Kyrie is a lot better and he doesnt play streetball style, he actually play team basketball.

Grant and Scott have all right of this World to expect more from the bench, because they are professionals and they are paid for doing it and they are playing like little teens lost in the Forrest.

 

[RikSmits]

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Dude, maybe you are Casspi fan, so maybe you are pissed off because your boy really sucks out there in every game he touch the floor. Scott doesnt suck on defense, offense, ball handling, shooting, rebounding etc. When you see Casspi out there on the floor, he looks like lost. He had some strange look like if he ask himself WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING IN NBA?

The same is with other pieces of our shitty second core except Boobie. Casspi, Miles, Walton, Leuer, Samuels, Sloan, all of them are stupid. Why? Its really simple:
-Casspi is traded for a guy who is waived from Sacramento, he was able to hit some corner 3's and thats it, now he cant hit the ocean
-Sloan goes undrafted and is Atlanta cut him from roster, same with Hornets, so its something wrong with him
-Samuels also undrafted, showing some promises from time to time, but in the end of the day, we can see why he is undrafted
-Leuer is garbage, if he were NBA caliber player, Bucks would keep him
-Miles, he is not garbage like all of these other players, but he has some tough time here in Cleveland, and his problems are mental coz he must learn to play with new Coach and new teammates, and he came out of other system, but if he is garbage, Sloan would kick his ass out of Utah
-Walton is just killed by injuries and thats it.

So, the point is, Scott has a lot of shit on his bench, and is not easy to make pie out of shit, you can try, but its awful, just like our Cavs when bench players get some PT.

Walton came in because he is smarter than these scrubs, better bball IQ, even he is the same shit like these guys, but at least he doesnt make some obvious mistakes like those scrubs, and he was in coz our starters arent robots, so they need some rest too.

What good Coaches are doing you cant know, because you are not NBA Coach, and Scott definitly knows everything about the basketball better than you do.

Scott didnt pull out Kyrie, because Kyrie cut the deficit to -10, so thats why, coz he plays with scrubs and he must sometimes do all by himself. When AV and Dion are out there, Kyrie is a lot better and he doesnt play streetball style, he actually play team basketball.

Grant and Scott have all right of this World to expect more from the bench, because they are professionals and they are paid for doing it and they are playing like little teens lost in the Forrest.

Dude, i was a Casspi fan, but I sort of gave up on him by now. This isn't about Casspi, this is about coaching.

It is easy to say that all the bench players are garbage, especially since nobody sees them as part of the future of this team. So they're easy scapegoats. But this bench isn't as awful as it is playing right now, and just as the players should be held accountable when they don't reach their potential (and they should, Casspi more so than others!), the coaching staff does not deserve a free pass here.

Like Walton, Stackhouse is a vet with a bad back and gimpy knees, but he's contributing and shooting at a decent percentage. Is that just all ability, or does the spacing and playcalling by the Nets have something to do with it?

Jon Leuer was traded, with others, for Dalembert. If Dalembert were an NBA caliber player, why didn't Houston keep him? :thumbdown

I am not an NBA coach, but neither are you, so what's your point? That we shouldn't have a discussion about Scott? I have played organized league basketball, And I have trained and coached basketball. certainly not at NBA level, but enough to identify things that concern me.

Stepping away from the second unit, I see a horrendous defense. And seeing how Jamison got a complete free pass from trying to play defense last season, and Kyrie getting a similar free pass so far this season, I am worried. Because even though there may be valid reasons for such inequity, this will negatively influence the other players, either consciously or subconsciously. So how much of this should we blame on most players just being garbage on D, and how much on the coaching staff?

When Grant and/or Scott do seemingly little to nothing to let the bench unit succeed, don't we have all the right in the world to expect more from them, too?

 

[adriano_leite]

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Dude, i was a Casspi fan, but I sort of gave up on him by now. This isn't about Casspi, this is about coaching.

It is easy to say that all the bench players are garbage, especially since nobody sees them as part of the future of this team. So they're easy scapegoats. But this bench isn't as awful as it is playing right now, and just as the players should be held accountable when they don't reach their potential (and they should, Casspi more so than others!), the coaching staff does not deserve a free pass here.

Like Walton, Stackhouse is a vet with a bad back and gimpy knees, but he's contributing and shooting at a decent percentage. Is that just all ability, or does the spacing and playcalling by the Nets have something to do with it?

Jon Leuer was traded, with others, for Dalembert. If Dalembert were an NBA caliber player, why didn't Houston keep him? :thumbdown

I am not an NBA coach, but neither are you, so what's your point? That we shouldn't have a discussion about Scott? I have played organized league basketball, And I have trained and coached basketball. certainly not at NBA level, but enough to identify things that concern me.

Stepping away from the second unit, I see a horrendous defense. And seeing how Jamison got a complete free pass from trying to play defense last season, and Kyrie getting a similar free pass so far this season, I am worried. Because even though there may be valid reasons for such inequity, this will negatively influence the other players, either consciously or subconsciously. So how much of this should we blame on most players just being garbage on D, and how much on the coaching staff?

When Grant and/or Scott do seemingly little to nothing to let the bench unit succeed, don't we have all the right in the world to expect more from them, too?

Samuel was traded coz Houston decide they need cap space for some kind of rebuilding, and they actions after trade show it. You cant compared Samuel to Leuer man, lmao, Samuel is proven NBA player, and Leuer is what?

You are not coach, i am not coach, so who are we to attack Scott for awful second unit? We are damn fans and we should be happy for this team, for these young guns, and not to looking for anything just to keep bitching for something. To be a fan doesnt mean that you should talk crap about coaching stuff and the team.

My point is COACH SCOTT DOES KNOW HIS JOB BETTER THAN YOU AND ME, and like proof for that is his career as head coach in this league, and he knows better than us everything about this sport, because he was proven NBA player and he is a winner. We are just fans, we cant just keep complaining about everything that we dont like, because only blind person cant see positive things around this team.

GO CAVS GO!

 

[RikSmits]

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We are damn fans and we should be happy for this team, for these young guns, and not to looking for anything just to keep bitching for something. To be a fan doesnt mean that you should talk crap about coaching stuff and the team.

I thanked you not because I agree with your arguments but because I admire your optimistic approach to the team (no sarcasm!).
I have to wonder in that regard how you can stomach all the threads here with that mindset (sarcasm!). :chuckles:

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

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Scott was awful in the last thirty seconds tonight. Runs an iso for Pargo which is bad enough , but he had him run clock out before attacking which you do not do when losing. Then when Allen is at free throw line at end of game Scott didn't put Tristan in to rebound which led to Bosh tipping the ball around because he's so much taller than Gee. That cost us about two seconds. Then we don't call a timeout on the last possession. Terrible.

 

[rabman_gold]

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Scott was awful in the last thirty seconds tonight. Runs an iso for Pargo which is bad enough , but he had him run clock out before attacking which you do not do when losing. Then when Allen is at free throw line at end of game Scott didn't put Tristan in to rebound which led to Bosh tipping the ball around because he's so much taller than Gee. That cost us about two seconds. Then we don't call a timeout on the last possession. Terrible.

This would be a game where we would've needed Kyrie. Chalk it up to bad luck. We had the game, but Waiters was guarding both LeBron and Ray on that last 3 pointer. What's he supposed to do?

Still, it was crunch time minutes, I think the more crunch time you get, the better it pays off when you're contending. So Dion gets a good 101 in defending the best vs. the shooter.

 

[czvo]

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This would be a game where we would've needed Kyrie. Chalk it up to bad luck. We had the game, but Waiters was guarding both LeBron and Ray on that last 3 pointer. What's he supposed to do?

Still, it was crunch time minutes, I think the more crunch time you get, the better it pays off when you're contending. So Dion gets a good 101 in defending the best vs. the shooter.

No, Waiters wasn't. He didn't need to help at all. Whoever was on Bron (I think it was Gee) was right there. Varejao was waiting behind him. Waiters really had no reason to help off the BEST THREE POINT SHOOTER in the NBA history. He'll learn. I hope.

 

[PosterTime]

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Hard to criticize Scott after this one. If you blame him for the loss, then you also must credit him for coaching a bunch of mediocre players to a near-victory against the most talented team in the league. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Allen vs. our collection of rookies, former D-Leaguers, and guys that should still be in the D-League.

We could have won, yes. We could have had a better play towards the end, yes. We could have also been blown out and given up right away, but they played tough.

 

[teamballer]

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The Cavs have been playing extremely well in the past 3 games since Kyrie has been out. Suddenly there is actual defense and ball movement, and not just a bunch of guys standing around waiting for Kyrie to do his thing and trying to cover for him on the defensive end. Players that looked like they don't belong in this league all of the sudden nearly pull a win at Miami. It's great that Scott can manage to get that kind of production out of these players, BUT if the Cavs' style of play reverts back to what it was when Kyrie comes back, Scott will lose the team. He needs to find a way to adjust Kyrie's game in a way that will benefit the team, and look to develop him not only as an individual star player but also as a star team-player (and at least a respectable defender).

 

[Rich]

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Scott was awful in the last thirty seconds tonight. Runs an iso for Pargo which is bad enough , but he had him run clock out before attacking which you do not do when losing. Then when Allen is at free throw line at end of game Scott didn't put Tristan in to rebound which led to Bosh tipping the ball around because he's so much taller than Gee. That cost us about two seconds. Then we don't call a timeout on the last possession. Terrible.

My thinking would be because he didn't want him to rebound the ball and immediately get fouled.

I'd also like to know if he told Pargo to run the clock down or Pargo did that all on his own.

 

[rabman_gold]

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No, Waiters wasn't. He didn't need to help at all. Whoever was on Bron (I think it was Gee) was right there. Varejao was waiting behind him. Waiters really had no reason to help off the BEST THREE POINT SHOOTER in the NBA history. He'll learn. I hope.

Weren't you paying attention to the Heat's last full play? LeBron charged into the right middle of the paint and even Varejao and Gee combined were not enough, so Dion actually was moving in between both LeBron and Ray. One would force us to tie, the other would be a 1 point game. The way we executed after that, there was nothing we could do...

 

[MYoung23]

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Weren't you paying attention to the Heat's last full play? LeBron charged into the right middle of the paint and even Varejao and Gee combined were not enough, so Dion actually was moving in between both LeBron and Ray. One would force us to tie, the other would be a 1 point game. The way we executed after that, there was nothing we could do...

James drove right. Waiters, who was guarding Allen on the wing, helped off him to dig down on the drive. In that situation, the one guy you dont help off of especially with LeBron James with the ball is Ray Allen.

Waiters invited the pass and James makes that play all day long in that situation.

Correction:

James didnt drive right. He caught the ball on a curl going into the right side of the lane.

 

[MYoung23]

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The Cavs have been playing extremely well in the past 3 games since Kyrie has been out. Suddenly there is actual defense and ball movement, and not just a bunch of guys standing around waiting for Kyrie to do his thing and trying to cover for him on the defensive end. Players that looked like they don't belong in this league all of the sudden nearly pull a win at Miami. It's great that Scott can manage to get that kind of production out of these players, BUT if the Cavs' style of play reverts back to what it was when Kyrie comes back, Scott will lose the team. He needs to find a way to adjust Kyrie's game in a way that will benefit the team, and look to develop him not only as an individual star player but also as a star team-player (and at least a respectable defender).

Cavs gave up over 50% shooting and 100 points the last 2 games so slow down.

Theyre getting the exact same shots but guys who couldnt find Lake Erie from the Goodtime II are now making shots. Everything looks better when more than 3 guys on the roster are making shots.

 

[PosterTime]

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Cavs gave up over 50% shooting and 100 points the last 2 games so slow down.

Theyre getting the exact same shots but guys who couldnt find Lake Erie from the Goodtime II are now making shots. Everything looks better when more than 3 guys on the roster are making shots.

They may be making shots, but you can't deny that the ball movement looks a lot better.

Is it possible that they are making the shots because they feel in rhythm with the flow of the offense now? Team play/ball movement/rhythm can effect whether or not a certain player makes a certain shot.

Hopefully it is just a situation where everyone is coming out of their slumps at the same time because I don't want to think about Kyrie being "the problem" quite yet.

 

[StuDiscus]

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Execution, is the problem not the coaching down the stretch. Others might have mentioned, Dion should not have helped off of RAY ALLEN one of the best 3pt shooters of our generation.
When it comes to the last few pos. I am pretty sure that is not what was drawn up in the huddles.

Execution, not coaching. That is all.