RCF Dynasty Football League

[sportscoach]

Yeah, we can always adjust the rules later. It'd take a league vote.

Yeah I like the one of each with a flex so that is my vote. Next season we can revote on it.

 

[Ob1]

Yeah, Landon Collins is fucking legit. Lucked into grabbing him off of waivers last year and he's one of my best players now.

As far as IDP goes, I think the top players should be comparable in scoring to the top WRs and RBs. That said, even under the settings I currently have enabled, the top players at each IDP position score less than the top players at WR and RB. When you factor in that we may used tiered PPR settings (.5 for RB, 1 for WR, 1.5 for TE), it will likely be significantly less.

Not saying Landon Collins is not legit. But he's not far and away the best defensive player in the game and his IDP #s make him arguably the most important player in Fantasy.

 

[JDailey23]

So, when do we start drafting?

Would it not be easier to do it on here?

 

[Tornicade]

Not saying Landon Collins is not legit. But he's not far and away the best defensive player in the game and his IDP #s make him arguably the most important player in Fantasy.

if this argument doesn't apply on the offensive ed....why would it apply on the defensive end?

I mean... if you think the best fantasy scorers are the best players period.. you should watch some football

and who is the most importan defensive player in football?

your trying to force us to prove something in a vacuum that cannot be substantiated either way.

have we really reached that point where the highest fantasy point scorer is the perceived best player?

 

[Ob1]

if this argument doesn't apply on the offensive ed....why would it apply on the defensive end?

I mean... if you think the best fantasy scorers are the best players period.. you should watch some football

and who is the most importan defensive player in football?

your trying to force us to prove something in a vacuum that cannot be substantiated either way.

have we really reached that point where the highest fantasy point scorer is the perceived best player?

No, you're right that the best offensive FF players are not always the best players in the league. The reason I don't have a problem with offense is #1 because we have a LOT of offensive positions that can average things out and #2 the points are almost always correlated to impact on the field (not always, but a lot more than IDP). With a lot of these top IDP players, they are just players who get lots of tackles. IDP of 1-2-3 spots completely ignores a vast majority of the good defensive players. A CB who sets the all time interception record in a season but barely gets thrown at and thus gets way less tackles is going to get way less points than Kwon Alexander does because his stat keeper gives him 40 extra tackles then he has earned every year and he is the king of ganging up for tackles.

If we do what JB suggested and add a lot more IDP then it takes away a large part of my issue. Also, Landon Collins is good AF, I just dont think IDP points are fair in general. Is Landon Collins adding that many more points a game then Khalil Mack? I don't think so. On offense, there are way more ways to plan in order to make up for not necessarily having a top 5 RB OR WR or QB. With IDP, the way most play it, you either have one of the top guys or youre losing points to your opponent no matter what, every single week. Again though, if we add a bunch of IDP spots so that actual planning is involved, I'm way more for it.

 

[Tornicade]

No, you're right that the best offensive FF players are not always the best players in the league. The reason I don't have a problem with offense is #1 because we have a LOT of offensive positions that can average things out and #2 the points are almost always correlated to impact on the field (not always, but a lot more than IDP). With a lot of these top IDP players, they are just players who get lots of tackles. IDP of 1-2-3 spots completely ignores a vast majority of the good defensive players. A CB who sets the all time interception record in a season but barely gets thrown at and thus gets way less tackles is going to get way less points than Kwon Alexander does because his stat keeper gives him 40 extra tackles then he has earned every year and he is the king of ganging up for tackles.

If we do what JB suggested and add a lot more IDP then it takes away a large part of my issue. Also, Landon Collins is good AF, I just dont think IDP points are fair in general. Is Landon Collins adding that many more points a game then Khalil Mack? I don't think so. On offense, there are way more ways to plan in order to make up for not necessarily having a top 5 RB OR WR or QB. With IDP, the way most play it, you either have one of the top guys or youre losing points to your opponent no matter what, every single week. Again though, if we add a bunch of IDP spots so that actual planning is involved, I'm way more for it.

Khalil Mack averaged 11.5 points per week.
Landon averaged 15.3 points per week.

are you being serious?

Khalil is a 2 time pro bowler in his 3rd year and Landon Collins is a 1 time pro bowler in his 2nd season.

Last season.. EXP (expected points contributed by defense. ) the Giants was 37.91
The raiders were -81.26

Giants were 2nd in points allowed.
Raiders were 20th in points allowed

Raiders were 12-4
Giants were 11-5

I don't get how you can say a Pro Bowler sack specialist shouldn't be at the same level as a Grind it out Run stopper.

Especially a Team like the Giants who relied on stellar defense with veteran play from their awful offense to win games.

I just don't see the Validity.

Once again those 4 spots for the defensive players is 30% of the total points and on par with Tight ends and WR. except they can have an exception game here and there just like the old school team defense model does.

I gurantee that if Collins was on the raiders defense. The Raiders would of been a super bowl contender....

not sure if put Khalil on the giants you would have as dramatic impact.

 

[Ob1]

Khalil Mack averaged 11.5 points per week.
Landon averaged 15.3 points per week.

are you being serious?

Khalil is a 2 time pro bowler in his 3rd year and Landon Collins is a 1 time pro bowler in his 2nd season.

Last season.. EXP (expected points contributed by defense. ) the Giants was 37.91
The raiders were -81.26

Giants were 2nd in points allowed.
Raiders were 20th in points allowed

Raiders were 12-4
Giants were 11-5

I don't get how you can say a Pro Bowler sack specialist shouldn't be at the same level as a Grind it out Run stopper.

Especially a Team like the Giants who relied on stellar defense with veteran play from their awful offense to win games.

I just don't see the Validity.

Once again those 4 spots for the defensive players is 30% of the total points and on par with Tight ends and WR. except they can have an exception game here and there just like the old school team defense model does.

I gurantee that if Collins was on the raiders defense. The Raiders would of been a super bowl contender....

not sure if put Khalil on the giants you would have as dramatic impact.

#1 I don't think if Landon Collins was on the Raiders it would have prevented Carr from getting hurt. So no.

#2. I clearly made a mistake bringing up Landon Collins because youre missing my major point and attacking my secondary point. Regardless, you've cited a lot of TEAM stats and not individual player stats. It's no question that NYG had a better defense, but Khalil Mack was NOT the reason that the Raiders defense was bad. Collins was clearly a bad choice because he actually had an insane season, so let's change it up. Do you think Mark Barron statistically should be worth more points than Mack? I'm just saying, it's really had to pick and scout IDP because the PPG is flawed based on a lot of things that aren't really correlated to skill or fit. A great CB might actually get a considerable amount less PPG than an average CB due to getting thrown at less. There's nothing wrong with trying to scout guys who are average and are likely to get a lot more tackles/throws at, or trying to find a LB whose team sucks up the middle so that they are likely to get more tackles (or a scorekeeper who gives out assists like candy) but I just don't prefer it. It becomes even worse in my eyes when theres only a few IDP spots so the people who l

 

[Jack Brickman]

#1 I don't think if Landon Collins was on the Raiders it would have prevented Carr from getting hurt. So no.

#2. I clearly made a mistake bringing up Landon Collins because youre missing my major point and attacking my secondary point. Regardless, you've cited a lot of TEAM stats and not individual player stats. It's no question that NYG had a better defense, but Khalil Mack was NOT the reason that the Raiders defense was bad. Collins was clearly a bad choice because he actually had an insane season, so let's change it up. Do you think Mark Barron statistically should be worth more points than Mack? I'm just saying, it's really had to pick and scout IDP because the PPG is flawed based on a lot of things that aren't really correlated to skill or fit. A great CB might actually get a considerable amount less PPG than an average CB due to getting thrown at less. There's nothing wrong with trying to scout guys who are average and are likely to get a lot more tackles/throws at, or trying to find a LB whose team sucks up the middle so that they are likely to get more tackles (or a scorekeeper who gives out assists like candy) but I just don't prefer it. It becomes even worse in my eyes when theres only a few IDP spots so the people who l

Mack is still the top-scoring player at his position, so it's not as if he's useless or something. But DL players just tend to score less than LBs and DBs.

 

[Ob1]

To be fair, it's not going to make or break anything for me so I'm down to do whatever the majority wants.

 

[Tornicade]

#1 I don't think if Landon Collins was on the Raiders it would have prevented Carr from getting hurt. So no.

#2. I clearly made a mistake bringing up Landon Collins because youre missing my major point and attacking my secondary point. Regardless, you've cited a lot of TEAM stats and not individual player stats. It's no question that NYG had a better defense, but Khalil Mack was NOT the reason that the Raiders defense was bad. Collins was clearly a bad choice because he actually had an insane season, so let's change it up. Do you think Mark Barron statistically should be worth more points than Mack? I'm just saying, it's really had to pick and scout IDP because the PPG is flawed based on a lot of things that aren't really correlated to skill or fit. A great CB might actually get a considerable amount less PPG than an average CB due to getting thrown at less. There's nothing wrong with trying to scout guys who are average and are likely to get a lot more tackles/throws at, or trying to find a LB whose team sucks up the middle so that they are likely to get more tackles (or a scorekeeper who gives out assists like candy) but I just don't prefer it. It becomes even worse in my eyes when theres only a few IDP spots so the people who l

Mark Barron?
Mark Barron averaged 11.9
Khalil Mack 11.3

lets look at Jacks current formula.

(didn't work. I am still trying to find a suitable Image shack/photobucket replacement.)

Line men get sacks. Linebackers get tackles.

CB aren't in the IDB.

I mean the concerns you have are no different than Goal running backs vs every down backs.

I mean people have been winning Fantasy leagues for years picking high production players on lousy teams.

He cant really increase the sack points because then it would shift to largely favor to defenses that use linebackers to sack and tackle

 

[Jack Brickman]

Would you guys be okay with two defensive flex spots rather than adding two of each position? I'd like to increase the overall value of defensive players from a "should I roster this guy" standpoint. If you have to start five every week, you need several more guys at minimum on your roster, and the additional flex spot also puts the elite players in higher demand since you can start up to three from one position via the two flex spots. I think this will also serve to make defensive players more valuable in trades and in the future rookie drafts.

 

[Jack Brickman]

So if you guys have any major rule complains, now is the time to bring them up. I'd like to get our draft started by Friday. Sooner if we can all agree on things. The draft will probably take at least a week. I also got rid of a few of the more unnecessary rules like extra points for rushing 30 times and all the kicker rules since we aren't rostering kickers. Oh, and I randomized the divisions so they weren't just the order in which we joined.

Also, I've set up a Mazey chat group for our league. This will help us all to get together to facilitate trading and rule discussions. I'll email all of you the details for joining through FleaFlicker. Mazey is free.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Do we want two or four divisions? I've got it set to four right now, but if we drop it back to two the top two will just be combined and the bottom two will be combined since I already randomized them once.

Also, as far as the draft goes, as soon as I switch it over to an email draft, the draft begins, so it will continue to say we're doing a live draft until I make the switch, at which point @Gobucks85 will be on the clock.

 

[Tornicade]

I am okay with the divisions mine is filled with a bunch of chumps

 

[Surge]

Do we want two or four divisions? I've got it set to four right now, but if we drop it back to two the top two will just be combined and the bottom two will be combined since I already randomized them once.

Also, as far as the draft goes, as soon as I switch it over to an email draft, the draft begins, so it will continue to say we're doing a live draft until I make the switch, at which point @Gobucks85 will be on the clock.

Why does it have to be email draft? Lets live-action this bitch you pansies.