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Oh good, not only are you bringing in your guys, but now you're forcing them to use someone else's staff.

That is a recipe for success if I've ever seen it.

I think it's just a stopgap measure... keep the staff in place so that none of the work done for the draft thus far has been lost and after the draft, let the guys in place make their moves. If we blew up the scouting staff at this point, it could be a disaster.
 
@HammerNation19: Per Grossi, he would eliminate Josh McDaniels, Mike McCoy, Kyle Shanahan. All weaker personalities. Haslam wants a strong leader
@HammerNation19: Grossi would include Saban, Kelly, and Gruden. O'Brien as well...

Interesting
 
No power? Tell me how writing a billion dollar check isnt the quintessential definition of power.

I would nut everywhere if Gruden came here. He would make the most sense.

He's young, aggressive, great football mind, winner, etc. He is your #1, IMO.
 
Weeden doesn't though:

@TonyGrossi: #Browns QB Brandon Weeden on prospect of Chip Kelly coming to Cleveland: "I can't run the zone read option offense."

As if I needed another reason to want Chip Kelly here...
If Chip Kelly is the man, I think he is smart enough to adapt his offense to whoever the qb is. Weeden is right, he can't run the zone read but he wouldn't be asked to do that. Most likely an up tempo spread where they can take advantage of Weeden's arm and Richardson's running ability. Weeden might not start next year anyway.
 
Ps...does anybody else think Gruden might be the best guy to get the most out of Brandon Weeden?
 
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PENN STATERS OPINION ON BILL O'BRIEN

1. It did not take much to make this team "work" - I don't count those first two losses. This team got flat out beat by Ohio State, and (despite the horrid call) blew a game in Lincoln, NE. They were a pretty solid football team this year. They would've been with ANY COACH more competent than Joe Paterno and the piss poor staff that he had in line. People make a big stink about the players that left, but that is far overblown. Silas Redd ended up being the only key loss, and even the RBs they had this year produced. Silas Redd would've made this team a 1-loss team at worst, in my opinion. Other transfers like Justin Brown were rendered meaningless when players like Allen Robinson stepped up to become some of the best in the conference. The real issue for OB (his nickname) is recruiting, which did not strongly affect this season outside of the guys he lost to Meyer (lolz).

2. Bill O'Brien "leadership" is up for question, in my opinion. The guy was vocal this year, but said the same things over and over. It appeared to be very forced, which I understand. When I say forced, I mean he, and the the Athletic Department, knew that no matter if he liked it or not, he had to be vocal and open with the fans, players, etc. I have interacted with him multiple times, and seen him off camera, and while he is a nice guy, he has a very hard edged guy with a no-nonsense/no-media Belichick attitude. He is clearly a former New England Patriot/Bill Belichick disciple.

3. The #1 positive I can grab from O'Brien was his ability to transform Matt McGloin from a piss-poor puke QB (5INTs in blown Outback Bowl loss to Florida) to one of the best in the conference. McGloin still is no world beater, but the fact he performed at the level he did speaks volumes about what types of talent O'Brien has as a coach. The issue when making the the statement about how he transformed players is the fact that virtually any living specimen could've got more out of these players than anyone on Paterno's staff. However, to his credit, he did a pretty damn good job pushing some "meh" players to all-conference levels.

4. His dream job is to be the head coach of the New England Patriots. He is a Boston guy. He has a fucking friend named Sarge. Sarge. He routinely went into off the record meetings with media and asked how the "C's" are doing (Celtics, obviously). His wife is a New England girl. This guy wants back to where he belongs. Just a matter of time. I have said for a few months that I think he continues to recruit strong, builds a solid team for his first bowl eligible year, goes to a BCS game and then bolts for New England within a year or two. I really don't see him leaving for any job but the Patriots, however I may be wrong.

BOTTOM LINE: Bill O'Brien is a good coach and, like I said, showed some signs of what kind of coach he is. When it comes to his style, he really has a balls-to-wall attitude and has done a pretty solid job transforming players over his year on the job. However, also like I said, he did inherit an underrated group of players, so seeing another year or two would be wise. He has a pretty solid recruiting class coming in with one of the best QB's in the class, so he will have a chance to prove himself. For me, I need to see him prove himself more in order for me to think he is a home run hire.
 
Ps...does anybody else think Gruden might be the best guy to get the most out of Brandon Weeden?

He's never developed a QB before, but who's to say he won't get lucky this time.
 
Oh good, not only are you bringing in your guys, but now you're forcing them to use someone else's staff.

That is a recipe for success if I've ever seen it.

I don't know if you watched the presser, but it was made pretty clear that all the guys under contract will be kept on board until a head coach and GM are hired, and those guys will decide who they want to retain or let go.
 
Weeden doesn't though:

@TonyGrossi: #Browns QB Brandon Weeden on prospect of Chip Kelly coming to Cleveland: "I can't run the zone read option offense."

As if I needed another reason to want Chip Kelly here...

Weeden clearly isn't reading this board closely enough. b00bie was just telling me last night that Kelly and Weeden could work. Hilarious.
 
Weeden clearly isn't reading this board closely enough. b00bie was just telling me last night that Kelly and Weeden could work. Hilarious.

Weeden never said that he couldn't work in a offense ran by Kelly, he said that he can't work in the one that Kelly is currently running. There is a good chance that Kelly changes his offense if he gets hired.
 
Weeden clearly isn't reading this board closely enough. b00bie was just telling me last night that Kelly and Weeden could work. Hilarious.

Chip Kelly isn't going to run the read option with Brandon Weeden.

Not a difficult concept.
 
He's never developed a QB before, but who's to say he won't get lucky this time.

He has won a superbowl.....and I've seen him sit and talk with many QBs before on TV (although, I shouldn't believe everything I see on TV). I just think his attitude and ingeniousness would get the best out of Weeden....possibly.

Chip Kelly isn't going to run the read option with Brandon Weeden.

Not a difficult concept.

What if Weeden just sucks and whether or not it's offense A or offense B......Weeden needs something more?
 
Chip Kelly isn't going to run the read option with Brandon Weeden.

Not a difficult concept.

Exactly! Which is why if Kelly comes to Cleveland, Weeden is out.

Look, this is very obvious. Kelly isn't going to go to the NFL and not run his offense. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? "Yeah, hey Chip. We'd love to have you. But first thing you should know: Weeden stays and you adapt to his strenghts." Are you kidding me?

I am a fan of Kelly. If the Browns bring him in, I won't complain a bit. But people need to realize that Kelly coming in would mean bigger changes on offense. Weeden confirmed that today.
 
Exactly! Which is why if Kelly comes to Cleveland, Weeden is out.

Look, this is very obvious. Kelly isn't going to go to the NFL and not run his offense. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? "Yeah, hey Chip. We'd love to have you. But first thing you should know: Weeden stays and you adapt to his strenghts." Are you kidding me?

I am a fan of Kelly. If the Browns bring him in, I won't complain a bit. But people need to realize that Kelly coming in would mean bigger changes on offense. Weeden confirmed that today.

Weeden didn't confirm anything, in fact he has no idea what Kelly would do.

It doesn't mean they're going to trot out five 290 pound lineman...not even close.

He's going to play to his talents strengths.

Maybe once they get some talent at quarterback he can figure out a plan.
 

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