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So long, Kay Felder

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buzzdog said:
Yep, the eye test should hold some water in talent evaluation. If Felder could develop something like 50% accuracy from 3 point range maybe he could have a chance. I just don't see it.

It becomes a choice on where you want to spend your player development resources, on someone with true NBA potential or someone whose ceiling is an end of the rotation back-up?
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We have different eyes. I see a guy who's has the ability to penetrate, draw defenders, with decent vision, and overall solid scoring ability.

He's has a few really good games, a few really bad games. He's a project, but the talent is certainly there.
 
ice cream man said:
Lol people "after watching him I realize he's too short."

When I heard he was 5'9" I realized he was too short. Go ahead and cite Isaiah Thomas the Celtics are pretenders not contenders. And even if Felder could shoot lights out it's pretty much a guarantee that any team can exploit him defensively.
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What does the Celtics being pretenders have to do with Kay Felder?
 
I don't think that's completely fair to him. No, he clearly isn't ready to give us important minutes in the rotation, but we already knew that from earlier. The potential is there, since he knows how to penetrate into the heart of the D, finish in traffic, and kick out (every now and then).

Personally, it looked like he was feeling far more pressure than usual, with the reported arrival of Deron Williams in the next couple of days. He was forcing the issue and got REALLY flustered (you could tell from his face).

It's fine. Now that we got a real pg coming in, he can try to focus on improving his game in the D-League...
 
im pretty sure i heard kay yell "and one" as he chunked a layup off the backboard last night.

Have fun in canton kay.

KAYEEE... AND ONE
 
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I hope the Cavs can develop him. They need to turn some of these cheap young guys into rotational players.

But if he doesn't show marked improvement early next year, I doubt they keep him the whole season.
 
Rich said:
I hope the Cavs can develop him. They need to turn some of these cheap young guys into rotational players.

But if he doesn't show marked improvement early next year, I doubt they keep him the whole season.
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Eh...rookies should be given three seasons., IMO. Thats what all the scouts and experts say, at least,
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
Eh...rookies should be given three seasons., IMO. Thats what all the scouts and experts say, at least,
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Good pro prospects should absolutely be given three seasons... I'm struggling to see what Felder has that Pierre Jackson lacked. Undersized inconsistent scoring guards are kind of a dime a dozen and I'll always wonder why the Cavaliers wasted a roster spot on one. At least the vets say he is a really nice kid.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Good pro prospects should absolutely be given three seasons... I'm struggling to see what Felder has that Pierre Jackson lacked. Undersized inconsistent scoring guards are kind of a dime a dozen and I'll always wonder why the Cavaliers wasted a roster spot on one. At least the vets say he is a really nice kid.
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Kay is the kind of draft pick you make if you're a really bad team and can afford to play him.

He's never going to whiff in the rotation here, likely...

I think the only reason he's on the roster at all is Dan Gilbert. It's not like we had a selection. We spent money to buy this pick... And it made no sense at a basketball standpoint for this team.

It's not even a Kay Felder issue. Maybe he ends up being a solid NBA player (I don't think he will) but the odds of that happening here was never that high.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Good pro prospects should absolutely be given three seasons... I'm struggling to see what Felder has that Pierre Jackson lacked. Undersized inconsistent scoring guards are kind of a dime a dozen and I'll always wonder why the Cavaliers wasted a roster spot on one. At least the vets say he is a really nice kid.
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At the same time, Kay wouldnt be the first undersized guard to find his mojo at 26 on his 3rd or 4th team and then all of a sudden be the talk of the league.

We shall see. all he cost us was some cash anyways.

FWIW....

even from making the jump from HS to college...Kay improved vastly over he years,

Year 1: 9/6

Year 2 18/8

Year 3. 24/9

Hopefully he sees the same type of progression in the NBA.
 
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I think if you're going to make draft selections on a team like us in the second round. Always go with players more defensive orientated but fell in the second round because they lack the offensive talent to dazzle the other teams in the first round.

Those players are more likely to eventually play in the rotation if they pan out on contending teams.

Not an offensive isolation undersized guard that's on a team that's trying to win a title.

I doubt Griffin preferred him at all. Definitely a Dan Gilbert pick. But, whatever, it doesn't cripple us either way. I rather throw Dan little bones like this than for him to butt in and screw up the big things.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
At the same time, Kay wouldnt be the first undersized guard to find his mojo at 26 on his 3rd or 4th team and then all of a sudden be the talk of the league.

We shall see. all he cost us was some cash anyways.

FWIW....

even from making the jump from HS to college...Kay improved vastly over he years,

Year 1: 9/6

Year 2 18/8

Year 3. 24/9

Hopefully he sees the same type of progression in the NBA.
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If that's the case then maybe we should pick up a guy who's already bounced around to 2 or 3 other teams with similar potential, but more experience? The trick to talent evaluation on some of these guys is not being the ones who who spend a few million dollars to draft them, but instead be the ones pick them up off the scrap heap.
 
godfather said:
I think if you're going to make draft selections on a team like us in the second round. Always go with players more defensive orientated but fell in the second round because they lack the offensive talent to dazzle the other teams in the first round.

Those players are more likely to eventually play in the rotation if they pan out on contending teams.

Not an offensive isolation undersized guard that's on a team that's trying to win a title.

I doubt Griffin preferred him at all. Definitely a Dan Gilbert pick. But, whatever, it doesn't cripple us either way. I rather throw Dan little bones like this than for him to butt in and screw up the big things.
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Interesting point. It's like, Hey Dan, I know we told you that you should stay out basketball decisions during the deadline, but we really need your help in the draft today. We can only get a pick if you pay a couple million, and we'll even let you make the pick, bud. Here's a list of all the guys from Michigan. By the way...can you just sign here, here, and here to finalize these extensions for all of our main guys...that way we can get back to who you want to pick in the draft...thanks Dan!

:chuckle:

I still really like Kay though. I think his strengths are NBA-translatable. I think he gets a bad rep here for bad games. and not enough praise for good games. He really hasnt been bad overall this yea. He's just some super rookie moments on a title team with high expectations.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
Interesting point. It's like, Hey Dan, I know we told you that you should stay out basketball decisions during the deadline, but we really need your help in the draft today. We can only get a pick if you pay a couple million, and we'll even let you make the pick, bud. Here's a list of all the guys from Michigan. By the way...can you just sign here, here, and here to finalize these extensions for all of our main guys...that way we can get back to who you want to pick in the draft...thanks Dan!

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I still really like Kay though. I think his strengths are NBA-translatable. I think he gets a bad rep here for bad games. and not enough praise for good games. He really hasnt been bad overall this yea. He's just some super rookie moments on a title team with high expectations.
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Not a fan of Kay myself, but I don't think we did him any favors getting drafted here either.

I do agree, you can't literally proclaim a guy a bust after one year though.. People like myself and Keys just never liked the selection.

I just question why would any sensible GM would draft an undersized point guard that needs to play with the ball in his hands to be successful at all in this league (name me a guy his size that's made it playing otherwise), and know he never will with LB and Irving on this team.

No GM would. Griffin knows this.

For Kay's sake, he needs to go somewhere else to succeed.
 
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