So long, Kay Felder

[Rich]

Eh...rookies should be given three seasons., IMO. Thats what all the scouts and experts say, at least,

When has that ever been a rule for Cavs 2nd rounders?

Joe Harris, Carrick Felix, Dominic Pointer, Danny Green.

Never has it been a rule teams should carry second rounders for at least 3 seasons. Roster doesn't have enough spots for that.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

When has that ever been a rule for Cavs 2nd rounders?

Joe Harris, Carrick Felix, Dominic Pointer, Danny Green.

Never has it been a rule teams should carry second rounders for at least 3 seasons. Roster doesn't have enough spots for that.

Cavs have enough roster spots 13 is enough(him +JJ in 14 and 15) , plus he has Gilbert behind him. He will get more than part of next season. I guarantee it.

And the Cave probably should have given Green and even Haris extra time. Green's a very good player and Harris is getting legit minutes on an NBA team now. I'm sure a lot of people on here, maybe even the same people writing Key off so early, wrote those guys off as well.

@godfather ... I understand where you're coming from, but I really think Kay can develop into a a legit, second unit scoring firecracker. Even with LBJ and Ky...we are going to need to have young guys coming up and playing well in the next 5-6 years. I think Kay can be one of those guys.

 

[mhi]

I feel bad for him now cause he seems like a legitimately good kid but I don't see how he can last in the league with his size limitation. I'll be rooting for him.

 

[godfather]

Cavs have enough roster spots 13 is enough(him +JJ in 14 and 15) , plus he has Gilbert behind him. He will get more than part of next season. I guarantee it.

And the Cave probably should have given Green and even Haris extra time. Green's a very good player and Harris is getting legit minutes on an NBA team now. I'm sure a lot of people on here, maybe even the same people writing Key off so early, wrote those guys off as well.

@godfather ... I understand where you're coming from, but I really think Kay can develop into a a legit, second unit scoring firecracker. Even with LBJ and Ky...we are going to need to have young guys coming up and playing well in the next 5-6 years. I think Kay can be one of those guys.

I think I wish the Cavs just kept him down in Canton the entire year (I know our lack of point guard position didn't allow us to)..

One thing I'll say in favor of Kay. And for the record.

Every time he plays, you can tell, he's playing not to screw up. He looks tentative as hell.

He looks like a guy that plays knowing if he screws up it could be a month before he sees the floor again.

Should have kept him down in Canton for the majority of the season despite our lack of point guard woes. He might have developed more that way.

 

[AZCavs]

I feel bad for him now cause he seems like a legitimately good kid but I don't see how he can last in the league with his size limitation. I'll be rooting for him.

He would survive just fine if he worked on his decision making. He thinks he can get away with Kyrie-level layups and the dude just isn't Kyrie. When he drives, I'm willing to bet he's going up for a shot at least 70-75% of the time. If he focuses on distributing more and taking what the defense gives him rather than forcing the issue nearly every time he touches the ball, he could play in the NBA. But right now he's trying to too much on his own when he's in and he should really just try to blend in more.

He's not read to play on a team gunning for a title.

 

[Lyuokdea]

I actually think kay has been playing pretty well for what he is -- which is the 7th to last pick in the draft.

The 6 guys after him have combined for 0 total NBA minutes.

He's cheap, and I think he has a role that he can fill maybe as early as next year as a microwave on offense.

He's never going to start, and that's ok. He's a much better pick than the Harris's and Pointer's, because his role is future NBA 10th man. I think he can fulfill that.

 

[Soar]

I do like the ability of Felder to create space off the dribble.

Cavs have so many spot up types that it is nice to just have an emergency creator on the roster.

This offseason will be important for him. Summer League, workouts etc.

I wonder if we can somehow get him to connect with Cleveland guy Earl Boykins. Just having a smaller guy(much smaller than Kay) share his pro tips might be invaluable

 

[Rich]

Cavs have enough roster spots 13 is enough(him +JJ in 14 and 15) , plus he has Gilbert behind him. He will get more than part of next season. I guarantee it.

And the Cave probably should have given Green and even Haris extra time. Green's a very good player and Harris is getting legit minutes on an NBA team now. I'm sure a lot of people on here, maybe even the same people writing Key off so early, wrote those guys off as well.

@godfather ... I understand where you're coming from, but I really think Kay can develop into a a legit, second unit scoring firecracker. Even with LBJ and Ky...we are going to need to have young guys coming up and playing well in the next 5-6 years. I think Kay can be one of those guys.

You're arguing what you think a team should do, and I'm telling you its not what the Cavs do, whether you think they should or not. Theyve had no problem pulling the plug early on 2nd rounders that aren't showing much. Needless to say to this point, Kay hasn't shown much.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

You're arguing what you think a team should do, and I'm telling you its not what the Cavs do, whether you think they should or not. Theyve had no problem pulling the plug early on 2nd rounders that aren't showing much. Needless to say to this point, Kay hasn't shown much.

No, I'm not. My post said as much. I'm arguing what the Cavs are going to likely do in this situation.

Kay Felder was essentially handpicked by Dan Gilbert. None of the other picks you mentioned fall into that category. That's why it's different. That is the variable you're ignoring here. It makes a huge difference, and that is what I'm telling you.

And for the 54th pick or whatever, Kay has actually had a handful or more of really solid games. He was the 54th pick, not the 24th. He's actually probably outperformed the projections for a 54th overall pick. I was listening to some podcasts with the stat guys earlier in the year and they mentioned that statistically, Kay has actually not been bad, overall, for a 54th pick, when you look at the advanced metrics.

 

[Walter White]

 

[Rich]

No, I'm not. My post said as much. I'm arguing what the Cavs are going to likely do in this situation.

Kay Felder was essentially handpicked by Dan Gilbert. None of the other picks you mentioned fall into that category. That's why it's different. That is the variable you're ignoring here. It makes a huge difference, and that is what I'm telling you.

And for the 54th pick or whatever, Kay has actually had a handful or more of really solid games. He was the 54th pick, not the 24th. He's actually probably outperformed the projections for a 54th overall pick. I was listening to some podcasts with the stat guys earlier in the year and they mentioned that statistically, Kay has actually not been bad, overall, for a 54th pick, when you look at the advanced metrics.

No, I'm not. My post said as much. I'm arguing what the Cavs are going to likely do in this situation.

Kay Felder was essentially handpicked by Dan Gilbert. None of the other picks you mentioned fall into that category. That's why it's different. That is the variable you're ignoring here. It makes a huge difference, and that is what I'm telling you.

And for the 54th pick or whatever, Kay has actually had a handful or more of really solid games. He was the 54th pick, not the 24th. He's actually probably outperformed the projections for a 54th overall pick. I was listening to some podcasts with the stat guys earlier in the year and they mentioned that statistically, Kay has actually not been bad, overall, for a 54th pick, when you look at the advanced metrics.

Ugh, that's not what you said, at all. You said that "scouts say you should give a rookie three years." No where in that post did you mention anything about Gilbert.

Regardless, if you think a tiny guard is going to get 3 years to develop, even if he's not contributing, then I don't know what to tell you.

As for the roster spots, they'll probably have enough....unless we get super lucky and williams and Bogut stay. Then where is the spot coming from? Osmans coming.

That means you've got a squeeze for one spot. Felder, Liggins, Derrick Williams. Those are the only three realistic options to not stick.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Ugh, that's not what you said, at all. You said that "scouts say you should give a rookie three years." No where in that post did you mention anything about Gilbert.

Not the first post, Rich. But we were far past that point in the discussion.

You quoted my post that said, in the first line, "Cavs have enough roster spots,(him+JJ in 14 and 15) Plus, he has Gilbert behind him..."

You literally quoted that post in your previous reply. So yes, I did mention Gilbert. Not in my first post a whole page back, though.

Regardless, if you think a tiny guard is going to get 3 years to develop, even if he's not contributing, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you don't think Dan Gilbert's handpicked guy from his home state is going to get a lot of extra time, I think you're kidding yourself

As for the roster spots, they'll probably have enough....unless we get super lucky and williams and Bogut stay. Then where is the spot coming from? Osmans coming.

I think Liggins would lose his roster spot in that scenario, he was basically brought in because he was the best defender of all the PG's we were trying out to back-up Kyrie afte the Mo debacle. But he's about to be 29 and he is what he is...so with Deron here, I think that's the roster spot that goes.

That means you've got a squeeze for one spot. Felder, Liggins, Derrick Williams. Those are the only three realistic options to not stick.

If we can keep Derrick, Deron, and Bogut(highly unlikely but for the sake of argument)...they could honestly waive Felder and I would be so giddy from keeping those three I probably wouldn't even notice, lol...but I do think he would get the roster spot over Liggins, we shall see though.

 

[Rich]

Gilbert has never shown himself to keep a guy on the roster just because he likes him. He's let Griffin ship out whoever he's wanted. To think Gilbert would demand a guy not contributing stay on the roster just because he likes him sells Gilbert short as an owner.

He knows when a mistake has been made and has had no problem allowinf it to be corrected.

There's no way Felder sticks on a championship roster without showing serious signs of imrpovement. Right now, he's basically unplayable in any lineup. That can't continue into next year.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Gilbert has never shown himself to keep a guy on the roster just because he likes him. He's let Griffin ship out whoever he's wanted. To think Gilbert would demand a guy not contributing stay on the roster just because he likes him sells Gilbert short as an owner.

He knows when a mistake has been made and has had no problem allowinf it to be corrected.

There's no way Felder sticks on a championship roster without showing serious signs of imrpovement. Right now, he's basically unplayable in any lineup. That can't continue into next year.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this here. Because I think Kay has definitely had enough good games/shown enough potential on top of Gilbert liking him, to where he will almost definitely be around next year, and possibly beyond. It's not like he's shown absolutely nothing, no talent, etc. And he wasn't just a second round pick we had that we made a selection with, he was specifically targeted, a pick was bought, and he was selected.

 

[inliner311]

I think it would be very short sighted to cut Felder for any short term player especially with roster sizes going up to 17 next year. Does anyone know if the two way d-league/NBA contracts for the last two roster spots will be only with new contracts or can Felder be on a two way contract next year?