The Brian Hoyer thread...

[DawgOnKing]

From this angle left knee bends awkwardly however, the reports are that the injury is to his RIGHT knee. After Alonso goes through Hoyer you can see Hoyer's right foot give way and you can see the awkward angle it has.

This view is from the front. You can see he puts his right leg out to slide but his cleat gets caught and he gets twisted over it.

Yeah, some of your are looking/referring to the wrong leg. It's his right knee. And from the above clip, it looks just as bad.

 

[bob2the2nd]

What? He gave himself up and in doing so was opened up to a cheap shot. It was the impact and weight of the defensive player that caused the injury. Hoyer starts his slide and takes a helmet to the head from behind. It's absolutely an illegal hit, based on what the NFL tells players about steering clear of a QB trying to go down.

More than anything I feel terrible for Hoyer. I'm not sure if the kid had what it takes to be a long term starter. But now he might never get a shot. Brutal.

youre right i agreed it was an illegal shot, and that the defender should be fined for the hit aka should have been called for a personal foul

i guess "own damn fault" is a little extreme but it was still a shitty ass slide. my guess is he saw the defender coming and tried to drop to the ground as quickly as possible and in doing so rush the slide and screwed it up.

 

[caf]

Let see what the NFL does here. They rhetoric is always 'safety first' and 'protect the QB'. I wonder if that means all QBs or just the Tom Bradys of the world.

I'm convinced if that was Brady or Rodgers or RG3, a flag would have been thrown without a second thought. I mean it was pretty cut and dry when I saw it live.

 

[Soda]

I'm hoping Alonso gets fined. Dude was mid slide.

 

[Spectre]

I feel terrible for Brian, that replay made me sick. Local guy living the dream lifting the Browns season out of the dumpster with a chance to be the guy going forward and he makes it 2 games. I'd say "Only in Cleveland" but that's been beaten to death... it's just a real bummer. Hope he still sticks on as backup next year now that we're essentially forced to draft a guy.

 

[3 Ball...GOT IT]

I still don't see how it could be a torn ACL when he walked to the locker room.

 

[AuxiliaryPie]

I still don't see how it could be a torn ACL when he walked to the locker room.

you can walk well enough with torn ligaments

 

[MattyIce8]

As a pre-med student, it is medically possible to donate ligaments. Somebody contact the Browns. I'm willing to do whatever it takes.

 

[MGMT]

I can't believe this.

 

[AZ_]

I still don't see how it could be a torn ACL when he walked to the locker room.

Uh...why?

 

[Frank Stallone]

I still don't see how it could be a torn ACL when he walked to the locker room.

As others have said, you can walk with a torn ligament. I've seen players tear a ligament and not even yell in pain. You can walk... I wouldn't suggest trying to juke somebody out though.

Go look up Boobie Miles.

 

[Stitches]

As others have said, you can walk with a torn ligament. I've seen players tear a ligament and not even yell in pain. You can walk... I wouldn't suggest trying to juke somebody out though.

Go look up Boobie Miles.

Yup, it didn't feel quite right when it happened to me, but I wasn't in pain until hours later.

 

[The Oi]

Not saying this is smart or that it makes me tough (maybe sorta), but I walked on a knee after dislocating a knee cap, tearing my ACL and a bucket-handle tear of my meniscus. I walked pretty similarly to Hoyer and I'm sure others on here have done the same thing before. It actually didn't hurt like you might imagine if you haven't had the injury before. It's an initially very sharp pain followed immediately by more discomfort and a dull throbbing sensation and then eventually numbness. Due to the adrenaline, the discomfort in your head might be worse than in the knee. At least for me, I've almost passed out and turned gray after my serious knee and ankle injuries because of that rush and standing up too quickly.

If it's just a torn ACL, then the other ligaments in the knee are enough to allow him to walk as long as he adjusts his gait to compensate.

Unfortunately, walking on it probably says more about his toughness and the adrenaline that his body intentionally shoots through him when it feels the pain. I'd guarantee he's not walking on it right now, because it's probably blown up like a balloon and his calf probably feels like he's got the worst cramp of all time.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Not saying this is smart or that it makes me tough (maybe sorta), but I walked on a knee after dislocating a knee cap, tearing my ACL and a bucket-handle tear of my meniscus. I walked pretty similarly to Hoyer and I'm sure others on here have done the same thing before. If it's just a torn ACL, then the other ligaments in the knee are enough to allow him to walk as long as he adjusts his gait to compensate.

Unfortunately, walking on it probably says more about his toughness and the adrenaline that his body intentionally shoots through him when it feels the pain. I'd guarantee he's not walking on it right now, because it's probably blown up like a balloon and his calf probably feels like he's got the worst cramp of all time.

Not to get to off topic... But what did you do?

Actually... Back on topic. My biggest fear is always the reoccurrence of a tear or knee injury. I've seen three prominent players have reoccurring injuries up close.

- RGII, he played QB in Central Texas, he had knee issues in HS and then obviously blew it out twice in college. Now did it again in the NFL. Awful.
- Sean Lee - did it twice (maybe it was once) at Penn State and then again in the NFL.
- Michael Mauti - once early on and then did it again his senior year at Penn State. Didn't yell in pain the second time. Just criedm devastating. Was drafted by Minnesota.

You just fear, at least I do, that this type of thing springs up again.

 

[The Oi]

Not to get to off topic... But what did you do?

Ugh. I was such an idiot.

In retrospect, I damaged my ACL very badly during a basketball game, did some bullshit PT on my own and then without surgery or being cleared went right back out and played on the knee a few months later. Obviously, it was very weak and prone to injury. So I absolutely destroyed it while moving to the right while taking a ball to the basket. It was bad. There was a very loud noise and the guys around me wanted to vomit. I almost did and like I said, I turned gray and almost passed out after hearing that noise.

As a sidenote, when I'd bend my knee in a certain direction after the first injury, my knee would make a sound like you slammed an ax into a tree. It didn't hurt, but the noise was puke-worthy.


As for the second part of your post, medicine and PT are so good today that a re-injury a lot of the time (not always) probably has more to do with a player's playing style than weakness in the knee. I absolutely believe some people are born or become physically injury prone, but if they adjust the way they play the game a little bit and stay in the pocket and slide carefully when need be, they can mostly avoid it. Tom Brady has done a good job of that.