The Brian Hoyer thread...

[Bob_The_Cat]

If you're going to lose, might as well do it by getting Manziel reps. No point in doing it with a veteran journeyman QB who obviously isn't the future.

Really? So far, Hoyer is doing more than what the Browns could have hoped he'd be doing, especially when you consider an injury to his starting RB and missing a top-5 WR in the league (arguably the best).

If it weren't for the defense playing like absolute dog shit we'd be 3-0 right now. The D, which was supposed to be the strength of the team, is currently ranked 23rd in pts allowed, 31st in ypg, dead last in yards per play and 30th in 1st downs allowed. The fact we're even in these games is a miracle.

 

[The Voice]

I was hoping they'd throw on first or second down.

If they were the Seahawks and I firmly believed they'd get the first down inside their own 10 even with the defense loading up, I'd have wanted them to run twice.

As it was, they ran it right into the pile twice and had already lost momentum by that point anyways. As soon as they had to punt that ball, you knew the game was over.

Just wanted to see them leave it all on the field knowing they had to buck the odds at that point.

They gained 5 yards on the first run. Not sure what you expected? The second run was a east west run, which I hate. If he would have just ran up the middle he would have probably gained at least a yard even of the defense jammed up the middle.

I would have rather seen play action on second down.


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[Chris]

It isn't showing up numbers wise quite yet (is it?) but the offense just feels way better than it has been. I'm guessing a lot of it is Hoyer, some of it is coaching maybe. And some of it is just talent at the running back position- neither of these rookies are spectacular but they are way better than T Rich IMO. I saw that Crowelll 14 yd TD and I instantly thought, "Richardson never would have been able to make that run."

Hopefully when the competition softens a bit we start seeing more results. And of course when our best offensive player gets back later this season.

 

[The Voice]

Playcalling wasn't terrible, the plays were just poorly executed. Crowell after that first down play was pretty upset with himself. Seems it was designed for him to cut back inside where the hole was, he just went outside too far. At least seemed he could have picked up a good 6 or 7 on that play instead of a minimal game.

And I like the 3rd down call, not the results. Coaches were going for the first instead of just running then punting after the 2 minute warning.

I'm more upset with Haden giving up yet another big play.

Hoyer had a great game all things considered. He never seemed rattled. Only negative you could really come up with in this game is his short passes needed some touch on them. Hoyer's the dang "Wizard of Oz" right now with all the munchkins running around for his receivers.

Did we win? Quit making excuses for him, he's the leader of the team and he has to do better then not capitalizing on two defensive turnovers (one pick with really good field position and turnover on downs). Time of possession in the final 10 minutes killed us.



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[MoFlo]

He's the quarterback and ultimately it's his job to lead the team to victory. If he didn't like the play call then he should have called an audible.

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Did we win? Quit making excuses for him, he's the leader of the team and he has to do better then not capitalizing on two defensive turnovers (one pick with really good field position and turnover on downs). Time of possession in the final 10 minutes killed us.

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Where was this kind of talk when Shurmur was the coach? Was it the QB's fault then too?

I'm a huge fan of what Shanahan has done thus far, but those 2 last possessions were insanely predictable & brutal to watch.

Max & Jig alluded to it, but Baltimore had 2 TO left & the 2 minute warning. There was way too much time left on the clock to get predictable & go run-run-pass..

At the very least, when they ran on 1st & 2nd down, they could've ran again on that 3rd down to take it to the 2 minute warning.

Not to mention, the thing that really gets me putting the blame on the playcalling is that all game long, they had loads of success running to the outside. We get to the last 2 possessions & it's up the gut.

 

[OptimusPrime]

The play calling on the last possession was definitely predictable, but the Ravens were squeezing the field and the only place to go with the ball would have been deep down field. I would have run the same play action on 1st down they hit to Gabriel earlier. Either running it or throwing underneath were destined to fail against the way Baltimore was playing it.

Of course it shouldn't have come to that. You have to get points when you start a drive at the Baltimore 29 and have another possession 1st and goal at the 9.

 

[The Oi]

They gained 5 yards on the first run. Not sure what you expected? The second run was a east west run, which I hate. If he would have just ran up the middle he would have probably gained at least a yard even of the defense jammed up the middle.

I would have rather seen play action on second down.


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I would have wanted 5-7 yard outs on first and second down considering Hoyer has to be completing these at like 90%+ right now and Hawkins and Austin are catching them like it's nothing.

You know for 100% certain the Ravens are calling timeouts after the play is over and they have a two minute warning to work with. When you're up against the possibility of punting inside your own 10 when you don't convert, it's well worth it to risk losing the opportunity to run the 4-5 additional seconds a run might get you.

I really would like to see them throwing there as if they're the ones down 1 and they're in a two minute drill, at least until they've caused the Ravens to burn their timeouts. Until those timeouts are gone, you might as well be losing the game when you're that deep in your territory.

The more I think about it, the more I think that offensively, this was the biggest mistake of the game.

 

[MoFlo]

I would have wanted 5-7 yard outs on first and second down considering Hoyer has to be completing these at like 90%+ right now and Hawkins and Austin are catching them like it's nothing.

You know for 100% certain the Ravens are calling timeouts after the play is over and they have a two minute warning to work with. When you're up against the possibility of punting inside your own 10 when you don't convert, it's well worth it to risk losing the opportunity to run the 4-5 additional seconds a run might get you.

I really would like to see them throwing there as if they're the ones down 1 and they're in a two minute drill, at least until they've caused the Ravens to burn their timeouts. Until those timeouts are gone, you might as well be losing the game when you're that deep in your territory.

The more I think about it, the more I think that offensively, this was the biggest mistake of the game.

Agree they should've passed now that I think about it more, but what really stuck in my crawl was the 2 straight runs up the gut when they had so much success running to the outside the entire game, then going predictable yet again by passing on 3rd down.

There's just no way in hell the last 2 possessions of a game, where you're up by 1, should only kill a minute off the clock combined...

 

[Lee]

We lost today because we got out coached down the stretch. I don't know if its our head coach or OC, but Manziel isn't the only rookie on the team that needs to learn. I hope Petine learns from this and is able to help ensure we win more close games than we lose from here on out.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Hoyer is far from the first person who should be taking any blame.

Now, Barkevious Mingo's busted ass and Joe Haden once again failing in the big moments...

 

[EdMonix11]

Hoyer is far from the first person who should be taking any blame.

Now, Barkevious Mingo's busted ass and Joe Haden once again failing in the big moments...

Hoyer shouldn't be blamed at all..... he played well.

Analytically, Haden has been our worst player on both sides of the ball this year. Scary.

FWIW, Mingo was a non-factor on the pass rush (he's supporting the rush defense pretty well) but that TD was not his fault....Wilcots is a moron for calling out the wrong guy. Juszczyk was Dansby's guy.

 

[AZ_]

Not to mention, the thing that really gets me putting the blame on the playcalling is that all game long, they had loads of success running to the outside. We get to the last 2 possessions & it's up the gut.

That's not necessarily true, the run to Crowell on second down was off-tackle left. The Ravens simply shut it down.

As you said, they utilized that outside run well all game long.

It's simply about execution, the Browns didn't when it mattered, and it cost them the game.

Simple as that.

 

[MRMsix6]

the sun was in Gabriel's eyes.

Interestingly, this will also be the title of the folk song written about the trials and tribulations of the Browns 2014 season.

 

[The Voice]

Where was this kind of talk when Shurmur was the coach? Was it the QB's fault then too?

I'm a huge fan of what Shanahan has done thus far, but those 2 last possessions were insanely predictable & brutal to watch.

Max & Jig alluded to it, but Baltimore had 2 TO left & the 2 minute warning. There was way too much time left on the clock to get predictable & go run-run-pass..

At the very least, when they ran on 1st & 2nd down, they could've ran again on that 3rd down to take it to the 2 minute warning.

Not to mention, the thing that really gets me putting the blame on the playcalling is that all game long, they had loads of success running to the outside. We get to the last 2 possessions & it's up the gut.

I'm not sure what play you watched. When it was 2 and 5 he went to the outside and got stuffed for -2 on the play. He would have been better off going up the gut.


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[SixPACK]

You can't blame this loss on Hoyer. Of course he made a couple mistakes but it all comes down to coaching and our defense/ST.

Should of been 9 points. 3 missed FG's I believe? 1 block (horrible blocking by Wynn I believe?), 1 off the post (snap was bad) and another block (from 36yds out I believe, are you shitting me..?)

Play calling in the end was horrible. Some decisions by West/Crowell were horrible. Too many times they try and get cute and go outside and stutter, when they should of just went up the gut for 3yds but instead getting stuffed for -3yds.

As the old saying goes, it's just the Browns being Browns.

I am just happy we are competing every game and hopefully they can get their shit together (coaching and dumb mistakes by players) and we can rack up 5-6 wins on this easy schedule before Gordon comes back. We will be right back in it.