The Brian Hoyer thread...

[The Human Q-Tip]

How did we go from most people acknowledging that Hoyer had accuracy issues that he needed to improve, to whitewashing it to "five good games"?

@Ben just nailed it.

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[MRMsix6]

How did we go from most people acknowledging that Hoyer had accuracy issues that he needed to improve, to whitewashing it to "five good games"?

In Cleveland, average QB play = good.

 

[Binkster]

In Cleveland, average QB play = good.

I'd hardly call Hoyer's play average prior to yesterday. I'd venture to say 90% of this board fell into the "above average" or higher category.

He had statistics to back that up, as well.

 

[elcheato]

@Ben just nailed it.

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And the same people who are blaming the entire team and offense for this performance, with Hoyer as just a side note are the same ones who were giving Hoyer the majority of the praise for wins.

After 5 weeks of steady play from the receivers, they're suddenly trash after one game according to some here.

Everyone can generalize.

 

[Binkster]

And the same people who are blaming the entire team and offense for this performance, with Hoyer as just a side note are the same ones who were giving Hoyer the majority of the praise for wins.

Everyone can generalize.

I don't really see it that way. I don't remember a single post that discounted the effectiveness of our line and our running game in contributing to wins. But can you actually sit there and say Hoyer doesn't deserve credit for the 3 wins thus far?

That's actually preposterous.

 

[AZ_]

But can you actually sit there and say Hoyer doesn't deserve credit for the 3 wins thus far?

That's actually preposterous.

That's actually not even remotely close to what he said.

 

[Soda]

And the same people who are blaming the entire team and offense for this performance, with Hoyer as just a side note are the same ones who were giving Hoyer the majority of the praise for wins.

After 5 weeks of steady play from the receivers, they're suddenly trash after one game according to some here.

Everyone can generalize.

No, some people here had recognized that the receivers are scraps from the heap and a guy the Browns signed away from Cincinnati. That's been all season.

They've caught balls thrown to them and missed the ones that have been a little bit off. I know this because we have the same discussion weekly about how a WR's drop isn't really a "drop" because it wasn't a money toss.

 

[Binkster]

That's actually not even remotely close to what he said.

His biased post implied that there is bias elsewhere on this board, I get it. He implied that Hoyer deserves less credit and more blame.

Maybe some people on here are too easy on him. I, for one, know he played shitty yesterday and deserves his share of the blame - but not all of it.

So what exactly are you getting at?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'd hardly call Hoyer's play average prior to yesterday. I'd venture to say 90% of this board fell into the "above average" or higher category.

He had statistics to back that up, as well.

Well, so as not to unfairly criticize him for his "one bad game versus his five 'good' games", let's look at cumulative stats. Fair enough?

His cumulative (including those first five "good" games) QBR is 22nd out of 32. And if you don't like QBR, his cumulative completion percentage is 55.8 %, which is 34th in the NFL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/b...NFL&year=season_2014&sort=41&timeframe=ToDate

The biggest criticism of Hoyer has been his accuracy, and the stats back that up quite well.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

No, some people here had recognized that the receivers are scraps from the heap and a guy the Browns signed away from Cincinnati. That's been all season.

They've caught balls thrown to them and missed the ones that have been a little bit off. I know this because we have the same discussion weekly about how a WR's drop isn't really a "drop" because it wasn't a money toss.

Yeah, but that's something that plagues every QB in the league. Unless there are stats showing that our receivers have significantly more drops than the average, it's not much of an excuse.

 

[MRMsix6]

I'd hardly call Hoyer's play average prior to yesterday. I'd venture to say 90% of this board fell into the "above average" or higher category.

He had statistics to back that up, as well.

90% of the board eh? That's a nice, made up number.

There were also statistics that suggested he wasn't as quite good as his raw QB numbers, including amazing line play and what, the #3 rushing attack?

 

[Binkster]

Well, so as not to unfairly criticize him for his "one bad game versus his five 'good' games", let's look at cumulative stats. Fair enough?

His cumulative (including those first five "good" games) QBR is 22nd out of 32. And if you don't like QBR, his cumulative completion percentage is 55.8 %, which is 34th in the NFL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/b...NFL&year=season_2014&sort=41&timeframe=ToDate

The biggest criticism of Hoyer has been his accuracy, and the stats back that up quite well.

And that's fine. Shove today's stats down my throat all you want, I won't argue that point now.

But I was referring to his stats going into yesterday and dwelling on the previous argument where many called him average when his stats at that time said otherwise.

Call him average all you want now. The stats will back you up. I'm simply saying I think he bounces back.

 

[Soda]

Well, so as not to unfairly criticize him for his "one bad game versus his five 'good' games", let's look at cumulative stats. Fair enough?

His cumulative (including those first five "good" games) QBR is 22nd out of 32. And if you don't like QBR, his cumulative completion percentage is 55.8 %, which is 34th in the NFL.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/b...NFL&year=season_2014&sort=41&timeframe=ToDate

The biggest criticism of Hoyer has been his accuracy, and the stats back that up quite well.

Framing... Cherry pick QBR and completion percentage to display your case. Completely ignoring the most credible rating which doesn't fit your point.


Not saying that Hoyer played well yesterday. He did not in the least. Let's stop with the bullshit of telling half of the story so your vantage makes perfect sense.

 

[Binkster]

90% of the board eh? That's a nice, made up number.

There were also statistics that suggested he wasn't as quite good as his raw QB numbers, including amazing line play and what, the #3 rushing attack?

So by this logic, Brandon Weeden could have propelled us to that 3-2 record and the 9th best offense in the league? All he needs to do is stand by and watch amazing line play and a great running game, right?

If you're going to say that the running game opened up the passing game, couldn't that technically work both ways?

 

[AZ_]

So by this logic, Brandon Weeden could have propelled us to that 3-2 record and the 9th best offense in the league? All he needs to do is stand by and watch amazing line play and a great running game, right?

If you're going to say that the running game opened up the passing game, couldn't that technically work both ways?

You COULD technically say it works both ways.

But watching them run it down people's throats before going over the top with play-action, it's probably not your best argument.