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This show man, it does tension and dread correctly. No cheap "jump out" scare tricks. Just slow and steady dread. That last scene...nothing happened, but I was still frightened watching it.

Now, the last scene. Did anyone catch anything suspicious anywhere? I watched it like three times to see if there was some sort of clue, but nothing

New theory: Russ is having Memento like amnesia. He commits the murders, forgets he commits them, and then goes back to his life trying to find the murderer.

I don't believe it, but just throwing it out there.

EDIT: I just wanted to say, I came into this show expecting to not like it. Not because it wouldn't be "good" but because everyone is doing depressing, morbid shows these days, and you know, eventually you get tired of watching shows where the world sucks all the time. And yea, that's exactly what this show is. The world sucks. Everyone sucks. Nothing good ever happens. But good lord the acting, camera work, and ability to create tension like no show I've watched carries it for me. I can overlook the fact that it's yet another show where everyone fucking sucks.
 
This show man, it does tension and dread correctly. No cheap "jump out" scare tricks. Just slow and steady dread. That last scene...nothing happened, but I was still frightened watching it.

Now, the last scene. Did anyone catch anything suspicious anywhere? I watched it like three times to see if there was some sort of clue, but nothing

New theory: Russ is having Memento like amnesia. He commits the murders, forgets he commits them, and then goes back to his life trying to find the murderer.

I don't believe it, but just throwing it out there.

EDIT: I just wanted to say, I came into this show expecting to not like it. Not because it wouldn't be "good" but because everyone is doing depressing, morbid shows these days, and you know, eventually you get tired of watching shows where the world sucks all the time. And yea, that's exactly what this show is. The world sucks. Everyone sucks. Nothing good ever happens. But good lord the acting, camera work, and ability to create tension like no show I've watched carries it for me. I can overlook the fact that it's yet another show where everyone fucking sucks.

My friend and I were discussing something similar to this theory, but with a split-personality ending instead of amnesia. I still think with 3 episodes left that they make it a little too obvious that Russ could be the killer, therefore I expect another big twist before it's all over.
 
My theory on True Detective is that Marty and Rust are still working together, Marty on the inside and Rust on the outside, to take down the Yellow King and his cult. We know Rust has a single-minded determination when he gets set on things, we know he's spent years off the map following a case before, and we know he and Marty have lied together about their case. Also, we now know that Rust saved Marty's ass by covering up Ledeux's death, and that's the reason Marty seems to be so loyal to him now, even after their "falling out".

My theory is that the "falling out" either never happened and it was just a way for Rust to go off the grid and give him the freedom to act, or Rust orchestrated it. This case seems to be a conspiracy with some crazy people in charge, and Rust's actions (did he kill that Tuttle in 2010?) seem to be all about bringing justice to whoever did it.
 
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My theory on True Detective is that Marty and Rust are still working together, Marty on the inside and Rust on the outside, to take down the Yellow King and his cult. We know Rust has a single-minded determination when he gets set on things, we know he's spent years off the map following a case before, and we know he and Marty have lied together about their case. Also, we now know that Rust saved Marty's ass by covering up Ledeux's death, and that's the reason Marty seems to be so loyal to him now, even after their "falling out".

My theory is that the "falling out" either never happened and it was just a way for Rust to go off the grid and give him the freedom to act, or Rust orchestrated it. This case seems to be a conspiracy with some crazy people in charge, and Rust's actions (did he kill that Tuttle in 2010?) seem to be all about bringing justice to whoever did it.

This is what I'm thinking too. I feel like the falling out might be because Cole believes the killer is on the inside, maybe a cop, and so he gets himself kicked out of the force only to plan on continuing to work on the case, in secret, with Hart.
 
My theory on True Detective is that Marty and Rust are still working together, Marty on the inside and Rust on the outside, to take down the Yellow King and his cult. We know Rust has a single-minded determination when he gets set on things, we know he's spent years off the map following a case before, and we know he and Marty have lied together about their case. Also, we now know that Rust saved Marty's ass by covering up Ledeux's death, and that's the reason Marty seems to be so loyal to him now, even after their "falling out".

My theory is that the "falling out" either never happened and it was just a way for Rust to go off the grid and give him the freedom to act, or Rust orchestrated it. This case seems to be a conspiracy with some crazy people in charge, and Rust's actions (did he kill that Tuttle in 2010?) seem to be all about bringing justice to whoever did it.

This is very similar to my theory. I believe that they are working together and the falling out was designed. They perfectly coordinated their prior story, stuck to it completely, and have shown they will work outside the rules/law to chase their man. The only reason for this to have lasted as long as it has (timing between falling out and the current interviews) is because it's something big. This gets to my main theory from the start of the show. Something isn't right about the religious "task force" that played out very early on in the show and then mysteriously disappeared/never mentioned again. It was set up to be a main focal point then suspiciously disappeared. And who was controlling this religious task force? The governor of the state. So I believe that Cole and Marty stumbled upon something big and have had to completely go off the grid to track something with such large implications if wrong. It's not out of the realm of possibility that the Governor is the leader of this religious cult who's goal is to "eradicate" non-believers or those who are unholy i.e. the emphasis on prostitutes in the show. Pinning Cole as the killer is way to simple and way to obvious for the creators to really go down that road. That would be an entire waste of the show to play out something that is so cookie cutter (The man who looks the most suspicious, odd, and anti-social just happens to be the killer). That's way overplayed. I believe these interviews are for Marty and Cole to see if anyone is on to them and whether or not their are people within the division who can be trusted. Marty said it, Cole was getting a read on them, not them getting a read on him.
 
This is very similar to my theory. I believe that they are working together and the falling out was designed. They perfectly coordinated their prior story, stuck to it completely, and have shown they will work outside the rules/law to chase their man. The only reason for this to have lasted as long as it has (timing between falling out and the current interviews) is because it's something big. This gets to my main theory from the start of the show. Something isn't right about the religious "task force" that played out very early on in the show and then mysteriously disappeared/never mentioned again. It was set up to be a main focal point then suspiciously disappeared. And who was controlling this religious task force? The governor of the state. So I believe that Cole and Marty stumbled upon something big and have had to completely go off the grid to track something with such large implications if wrong. It's not out of the realm of possibility that the Governor is the leader of this religious cult who's goal is to "eradicate" non-believers or those who are unholy i.e. the emphasis on prostitutes in the show. Pinning Cole as the killer is way to simple and way to obvious for the creators to really go down that road. That would be an entire waste of the show to play out something that is so cookie cutter (The man who looks the most suspicious, odd, and anti-social just happens to be the killer). That's way overplayed. I believe these interviews are for Marty and Cole to see if anyone is on to them and whether or not their are people within the division who can be trusted. Marty said it, Cole was getting a read on them, not them getting a read on him.

Reading up from a bunch of different areas, we know the Tuttles are in it because the governor's brother was the one interested in setting up the task force, and his foundation was also the one that set up the school where Rust was interviewing the gardener (and that one of the missing victims attended). We can also assume that Rust killed him in 2010, possibly trying to track him to the top. For me it's 50/50 if Marty actually knows what Rust is doing and is trying to help him from the inside, or Rust is going complete lone wolf on this one. But I'm willing to bet money on him still investigating the murders from 2002 to the present day.

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this is really cool. never knew hbo did this with all their shows.

also, i'm glad brother mouzone continues to get screen time.
 
Reading up from a bunch of different areas, we know the Tuttles are in it because the governor's brother was the one interested in setting up the task force, and his foundation was also the one that set up the school where Rust was interviewing the gardener (and that one of the missing victims attended). We can also assume that Rust killed him in 2010, possibly trying to track him to the top. For me it's 50/50 if Marty actually knows what Rust is doing and is trying to help him from the inside, or Rust is going complete lone wolf on this one. But I'm willing to bet money on him still investigating the murders from 2002 to the present day.

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Not a bad find. I immediately thought of this guy when he went back to the highs chool.

But my guess is the Yellow King wears a mask.

Trying to figure out a way that possibly implicates Hart in the murders. He's fairly crazy and quick to anger. And, he is the guy who killed Ledoux. And had Ledoux been left alive, they quickly would have figured out he wasn't the guy committing the murders.

I doubt it's Hart, but it's just fun thinking of as many scenarios as possible.
 
You can get lost in Rust's dialogue from time to time but did anyone notice the scene with Rust describing the 4th dimension looking down on us as a flat circle that goes round and round? Isn't he describing the spiral cult symbol?
 
You can get lost in Rust's dialogue from time to time but did anyone notice the scene with Rust describing the 4th dimension looking down on us as a flat circle that goes round and round? Isn't he describing the spiral cult symbol?

I think that more a sign that his beliefs are encompassed by his experiences on this case now. like he has become consumed by it. Ladoux was the first person to use the idea as time as a flat circle, Rust initially dismisses the idea, but years later it seems his ideology is more in line with it. Either that or he is 'undercover' again, after all he is an expert at convincing people he is a piece of shit to get an in on a case.

I think the bond between the two detectives is completely dependent on this case, so i could see them going off book and working together in spite of what happened between 02 and 2013
 
This show kinda had me on the ropes after last week; unsure if the writers/producers are aware of the plot. I honestly questioned (and to a degree, still do) whether or not the writers had an end-game to this case. This past Sunday's episode was AMAZING. For some reason, I was waiting for Rust to leave that room so that things can happen and we can get up-to-date on where things are going. I must say, they've taken a back story and just wielded it as well as I've ever seen.

When I care about a show, I live to see next week's previews at the end. I am online watching all of those inside the episode pieces; excited as hell.
 
So, if you want your mind freaking BLOWN by this show, read this article below, and then head over reddit.com/r/truedetective . I think there are more theories and layered mysteries to uncover than any show recently. It's up there with Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones (ASOIAF) as far as multi, multi layered clues and visual breadcrumbs that betray the greater mystery.

A quick synopsis of the article below... I had thought that this show felt kind of Lovecraftian, and now I know why. A lot of the hints and clues point to a horror story from the 1890's, in which there was a fictional play called "The King in Yellow", and spoke repeatedly about a haunting place called Carcosa. Basically, it was a 19th century version of The Ring, because anyone who read the play past the first act or saw it performed was driven to madness and insanity because it revealed the dark secrets and truths of the universe. Sound familiar? Rust? Ledoux?

Anyway, this is definitely worth a read.

The One Literary Reference You Must Know to Appreciate ​True Detective

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Two episodes into the series, True Detective dropped a reference to one of the strangest, most compelling tales in the canon of weird fiction: Robert W. Chambers' The King in Yellow, a collection of short stories published in 1895. Knowing this book is key to understanding the dark mystery at the heart of this series.

This collection of stories has influenced writers from H.P. Lovecraft and Raymond Chandler, to Robert Heinlein, Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman and George R. R. Martin. The King in Yellow and his legendary city of Carcosa may be the most famous character and setting you've never heard of.

In fact, the more of the show you watch, and the more carefully you pay attention, you'll find a number of Easter eggs aimed squarely at hardcore fans of the weird fiction genre. I'll touch on a few of the more prominent ones, but I have a feeling the rest of the series will be a bonanza for true detectives of strange fiction.

Camilla: You, sir, should unmask.

Stranger: Indeed?

Cassilda: Indeed it's time. We all have laid aside disguise but you.

Stranger: I wear no mask.

Camilla: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) No mask? No mask!

—The King in Yellow: Act I, Scene 2

The King in Yellow is a fictional play within a collection of short stories—a metafictional dramatic work that brings despair, depravity, and insanity to anyone who reads it or sees it performed. Chambers inserts only a few selected scenes from the play into his story collection, and all of them are from the first act. This act, we are told, is a bit of a honeypot, luring readers into the cursed text. If they read even the first few words of Act II they are driven insane by the revelation of horrible, decadent, incomprehensible truths about the universe.

Anyone familiar with Lovecraft's "cosmic horrors" should see the thematic similarity. For his unfortunate protagonists, the ultimate truths of the universe are too much for their overloaded minds to handle. It should not be surprising that Lovecraft incorporated Chambers's The King in Yellow into his overarching Cthulhu mythos, embellishing the elements of the story and adding the fictitious play to his growing bookshelf of equally fictional mythos tomes.

Songs that the Hyades shall sing,

Where flap the tatters of the King,

Must die unheard in

Dim Carcosa.

—Cassilda's Song in The King in Yellow, Act I, Scene II​

For many fans of weird fiction, the surprising appearance of this madness-inducing play into what ostensibly appeared to be just another police procedural was a bolt of lighting. Suddenly, the tone of the show changed completely, signaling the descent into a particular brand of horror rarely (if ever) seen on television. The first mention of the play comes in episode two when Rust Cohle, the cynical, nihilistic detective played by Matthew McConaughey, finds the journal of a young former prostitute, Dora Lange, who has been ritualistically murdered.

"I closed my eyes and saw the King in Yellow moving through the forest," Cohle reads aloud from her journal. "The King's children are marked. They became his angels."

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The journal pages flash briefly on the screen. Lines from Chambers's play have been copied verbatim into the notebook.

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Along the shore the cloud waves break,

The twin suns sink behind the lake,

The shadows lengthen

In Carcosa

Strange is the night where the black stars rise,

And strange moons circle through the skies,

But stranger still is

Lost Carcosa

—The King in Yellow, Act I, Scene II​

Note the black stars, which become recurring symbols in the series. Black stars also appear as tattoos on the neck of the character of Carla, who first alerts Cohle and Hart to Dori's involvement with a strange "church."

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The One Literary Reference You Must Know to Appreciate ​True Detective
But the weirdness gets even thicker in episode three. A revivalist tent preacher has the unusual name of Joel Theriot, which is one letter away from the name claimed by famed occultist Aleister Crowley, who referred to himself as Master Therion, aka The Beast 666. And I had to pause the show when I watched Theriot lower his head and make the sign of the cross on his chest—because he does it backwards (right to left, instead of left to right). Given the meticulous layering of clues and symbols throughout the other episodes, my guess is that was intentional.

Later in the episode, our detectives interrogate a convict named Charlie in a bare, concrete room, attempting to get information about their prime suspect, Reggie Ledoux, aka The Tall Man. Charlie had been a former cellmate of Ledoux's. Charlie was privy to some of the Tall Man's peculiar stories, which he relates to the detectives:

He said that there's this place down south where all these rich men go to, uh, devil worship. He said that, uh, they—they sacrifice kids and whatnot. Women and children all got—all got murdered there and, um, something about someplace called Carcosa and the Yellow King. He said there's all these, like, old stones out in the woods, people go to, like, worship. He said there's just so much good killin' down there. Reggie's got this brand on his back, like a spiral. He says that's their sign.​

The spiral was found painted (tattooed?) on the murdered Dora's back, as well as on another victim Cohle discovered in the police archives. And in a recursive layering of clues, we've seen the spiral in another unusual sequence in episode two. As Cohle observes a group of birds outside of a burned church, they swirl and coalesce into the identical spiral formation before flying away. It's a chilling moment that has already been dissected by many viewers.

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The idea of ancient standing stones as the scene of bizarre pagan rites and atavistic sacrifices is a common trope of weird fiction, too, and was employed by authors as far back as Arthur Machen and Lovecraft ("The Dunwich Horror"), up through Stephen King (in his short story "N"). I used such a scene in my own novel, Blackwater Lights.

And those are only a few of the Easter eggs and symbols embedded in this clever and meticulously constructed television drama. Take note, for instance, of the regular use of yellow—in Cohle's dim, depressing apartment and the smoky haze at the illegal warehouse rave. Yellow is visually linked to insanity, mental collapse, and decadence—another explicit echo of Chambers's iconic mythology.

But where, one might wonder, is this all going? Is this just writer Nic Pizzolatto dropping nods to his favorite authors and their fans? Some critics have dismissed the idea that the show is moving into the realm of the supernatural, but I have little doubt that it is going to only get much weirder and much, much darker. The clues are all there for those with eyes to see.

Why The King in Yellow? I think it's obvious, and I'll go out on a limb and say the season will continue with detectives Cohle and Hart edging closer to the abyss of what Lovecraft termed "cosmic fear," which he defined as:

A certain atmosphere of breathless and unexplainable dread of outer, unknown forces . . . a hint, expressed with a seriousness and portentousness becoming its subject, of that most terrible conception of the human brain—a malign and particular suspension or defeat of those fixed laws of Nature which are our only safeguard against the assaults of chaos and the daemons of unplumbed space.​

In a revealing interview with the The Wall Street Journal, Pizzolatto discusses his love of existential horror and its most prominent authors, from Chambers and Lovecraft to modern masters of the weird Laird Barron and Thomas Ligotti:

Their fictional visions of cosmic despair were articulating the same things as certain nihilist and pessimist philosophers, but with more poetry and art and vision . . . It's important for us to confront the potential of the true abyss. . . .​

Clearly, the present-day Cohle, with his glazed, vacant eyes and brutally nihilistic philosophy, is someone who has experienced the chaos and daemons lurking just over the edge of the interminable abyss. He explains his philosophy in his interview with the two current-day detectives:

You, yourself, this whole big drama, it was never anything but a jerry-rig of presumption and dumb will and you could just let go, finally know that you didn't have to hold on so tight. To realize that all your life, you know, all you love, all you hate, all your memory, all your pain—it was all the same thing. It was all the same dream, a dream you had inside a locked room, a dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams . . . there's a monster at the end of it.​

Cohle has seen the monster. I suspect we will, too.
 
I am going way down the rabbit hole, but could 'yellow king' also be a reference to the Governor of Louisiana? Huey Long was nicknamed the Kingfish when he was gov in the 20s and 30s.

Also, not sure if it has been mentioned, but 'Reggie Ledoux' can roughly be translated to 'the second king' in English.
 
Just as an FYI, that book referred to above, The King in Yellow, is free on Amazon Kindle.
 

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