Xbox One or Playstation 4? What are you getting?

[gourimoko]

They've already had one of their VP's come out and state:

The Xbox One is an online device

If you want an offline device there is an Xbox 360 you can buy and that is an offline device

Which is basically a big "Fuck You" to their customers.

Really struggling to understand why anyone would still want an Xbox One. The exclusives? Really that's it? PS4 will have far better graphics, most of the same games, cheaper online, and is $100 less expensive. It also doesn't hold your nutsack in a vice while you play, or require your first born child as collateral when you're not.

 

[Man Called X]

My question, if the Xbox 360 is the offline device, does that mean they will still maintain it for another 10 years? How soon until all the servers get shut down and it's only an offline device? Really curious about these things, because it doesn't affect me for the majority of the games I enjoy playing, it's still an interesting question.

 

[KB]

Which is basically a big "Fuck You" to their customers.

Really struggling to understand why anyone would still want an Xbox One. The exclusives? Really that's it? PS4 will have far better graphics, most of the same games, cheaper online, and is $100 less expensive. It also doesn't hold your nutsack in a vice while you play, or require your first born child as collateral when you're not.

When it comes to a console I really don't care about graphics anymore

I built a pc for the games I want to be pretty when I play them

I want something that is not restrictive in terms of ownership or use

I like to buy the special editions of physical games for some of the backround, development concepts, art direction and music soundtracks that come with them

If I'm going to drop 400-500$ on a system I'm damn well going to want to play it with out being online sometimes, I'm going to want to trade and share games with my family/friends because that is how I grew up gaming, to that exten DLC pisses me off, I think it's ruined gaming as devs now make a half assed game then toss in updates here and there and 2 to 4 pieces of DLC that aren't really over 4 hours long (not all DLC is that bad but most of it fits in that range)

I liked back before the DLC. A year after a game good came out they'd drop an expansion with 40-50+ hours of play time, new hubs, gear and characters, ect...

Shit half the time I'll buy a game, play through it and then give it to my brother since he's been in Med School, got shipped to officers school and is now moving to FL. He hasn't had time to keep up with any of the games so I just give him the good ones so he doesn't waste his time.

These things are all part of what made gaming fun and still makes it fun, for me at least

 

[KB]

My question, if the Xbox 360 is the offline device, does that mean they will still maintain it for another 10 years? How soon until all the servers get shut down and it's only an offline device? Really curious about these things, because it doesn't affect me for the majority of the games I enjoy playing, it's still an interesting question.

Here is the article I posted in another thread where the guy said this

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/12/no-internet-get-an-xbox-360-says-microsoft/

No Internet? Get an Xbox 360, says Microsoft
Story by Brenna Hillier Wed, Jun 12, 2013 | 03:18 BST

If you haven’t got access to Internet so the Xbox One can phone home once a day – because you’re in the military, or live in one of the millions of cities worldwide where Internet just isn’t that great – you can just buy an Xbox 360, one Microsoft executive has said.

Speaking to GameTrailers, Xbox’s Don Mattrick dropped a quote which I would almost describe as “tasty flamebait”.

“We have a product for people who aren’t able to get some form of connectivity; it’s called Xbox 360,” he said.

“If you have zero access to the Internet, that is an offline device.”

Mattrick said that Xbox One has been “created for gamers, by gamers” and that commentators need to see how the always-on requirement works before they judge it.

“I think in the long run, we’ll build a global leading product that people are going to love and embrace,” he said.

“It’s very important to them and they’re opinionated. And they’re smart. So they look at all those things and say ‘Hey, is this going to impact me in a negative way?’ And until you use it, it’s really hard to understand what all the advantages are.”

Thanks, Gamespot.

Also here is something more recent from today

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/13/xbo...tone-but-the-brand-is-always-adapting-trends/

Story by Stephany Nunneley Thu, Jun 13, 2013 | 17:06 BST

Xbox One policies presently set in stone, but the brand is always adapting trends


Microsoft Studios’ corporate vice president Phil Spencer has said the firm’ 24-hour online authentication and game trading policies on Xbox One are for the moment “definitive” and fixed, but it will remain open-minded regarding future policies.

Speaking in an interview with CVG, Spencer said the firm wanted to make sure its policy isn’t confusing anyone, so it set things in “black and white terms” last week.

“We will be as attentive to that feedback on Xbox One as we were through 360,” he said. “So these systems evolve. We’re a software company. If you think about the amount of times we changed the operating system on 360 – it was a number of times.

“But we wanted to set our policy as it is for Xbox One in clear terms so that there wasn’t ambiguity in what our stance was. That was our intent.”

Spencer went on to say Microsoft was “always listening to its fans,” and even when they get angry and lash out at the firm, he doesn’t take it personally.

“I say this, and I’m not trying to be pithy about it: I’ll never get frustrated with fans of what we do, because they’re very passionate about the games they play and the systems they purchase,” he said.

“We’re obviously trying to build games and a platform that people will love and invest their time and money in.”

Xbox One is due in November.

Look EA is even coming out stating they didn't try and push this on Microsfot

EA is already trying put themselves at distance from the backlash after the shit that happend with SimCity

If EA is putting distance between themselves and you there is a problem :chuckles:

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/12/ea-did-not-lobby-for-used-game-drm/

EA did not lobby for Xbox One’s used game DRM

Story by Brenna Hillier Wed, Jun 12, 2013 | 06:17 BST

Disrupting the popular “EA and Microsoft are in cahoots to ruin used games” narrative haunting comment threads everywhere, EA chief operating officer Peter Moore has said EA had nothing to do with the Xbox One’s licensing policies and hasn’t even figured out whether to get involved.

“As the guy who is the chief operating officer of Electronic Arts I can tell you that EA did not aggressively lobby for the platform holders to put some gating function in there to allow or disallow used games,” Moore told Polygon.

“I am on record as being a proponent of used games. I like the ecosystem. I like the fact that it’s kept pricing at a good level for eight years. I like the fact that someone can buy a physical game and see some equity in that game. That keeps GameStop vibrant and they are a great launch and marketing partner for us.

“EA has never had a conversation, and I have been present at all of them, with all of the manufacturers, saying you must put a system in place that allows us to take a piece of the action or even stop it. Absolutely incorrect.”

The executive said that EA hasn’t yet figured out whether it’s going to opt-in to Microsoft’s used-game blocking system, let alone the nitty-gritty details of what it might charge to reactivate a used license if it did join in.

“We have not internally even begun to sit down and answer those questions,” he said.

“We will figure out what we need to do. This thing just happened and we need to reconvene and hear what people think and talk to our retail partners and our first party partners. We had no idea what Sony was going to announce. We’ll reconvene next week and figure it all out.”

EA recently cancelled its Online Pass system which many commenters – including certain cynical VG247 staffers – assumed this was because it would be getting on board Microsoft’s new DRM. Moore said the real reason was that consumers didn’t like it.
“I was at the meeting. It just wasn’t resonating with the consumer. It just wasn’t consumer friendly,” he said.

“It was hard work and it was as much work for the guy who would never trade his game in, even though we gave him some digital content, because you’re punching numbers in. We just made a decision. I was the chair at the meeting. We said enough of Online Pass.

“Online Pass was more trouble to the consumer than it was worth. It was a mistake. The consumer’s feedback was that this thing gets in the way of a good experience so let’s get rid of it.”

 

[gourimoko]

My question, if the Xbox 360 is the offline device, does that mean they will still maintain it for another 10 years? How soon until all the servers get shut down and it's only an offline device? Really curious about these things, because it doesn't affect me for the majority of the games I enjoy playing, it's still an interesting question.

Original Xbox had 4.5 years of continued service, although that service was severely diminished with very few servers being designated for support. I think you might see a similar but shorter lived situation with the 360.

 

[KB]

Original Xbox had 4.5 years of continued service, although that service was severely diminished with very few servers being designated for support. I think you might see a similar but shorter lived situation with the 360.

This is a good question

I haven't seen anything mentioned yet, they probably don't want to have to deal with more pissed off people because of all the DLC that was sold that need servers to check it before it can load.

I'm wondering when it goes down how long it takes for a group of gamers to file a class action lawsuit based on not be able to access certain paid for items even though they meet all the requirements.

Check this out about DayZ

And note that Microsoft wants up to 10,000$...yes 10,000$ from devs to be able to update their games...and a publisher so it looks like the one may have fewer Indie game titles...

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/14/dayz-more-likely-on-ps4-than-xbox-one/

DayZ more likely on PS4 than Xbox One

Both Microsoft and Sony have approached Bohemia Interactive about porting DayZ to new hardware, but creator Dean “Rocket” Hall is more in favour of the PlayStation 4 than Xbox One

We talked to both of them. But, as I’m sure you’re aware, Sony lets you self-publish and they don’t make you pay for updates,” Hall told Eurogamer.

“Microsoft requires you to have a publisher. They have no digital distribution strategy and they require you to pay $10,000, or whatever it is, for updates.”

Hall said that Bohemia likes Sony, and that he personally liked what he saw on the PlayStation 4.

“I like what I saw on the Xbox in a lot of cases as well,” he added. I’m not shitting on them. I’m kind of hopeful that Microsoft has just forgot to talk about its indie support. Maybe I’m being a bit naive.”

Also this is a pretty good article, be the last one I post cause I may have gone over board with them

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/12/ps4-vs-xbox-one-the-100-canyon/

Story by Dave Cook Wed, Jun 12, 2013 | 20:24 BST

PS4 vs Xbox One: the $100 canyon

Sony and Microsoft have both laid their next-gen cards down at E3 2013, and VG247′s Dave Cook is currently considering a switch in his core console as a result. Discussion inside.

On Monday both Sony and Microsoft whipped out their shiny next-generation dicks and displayed them so we in the gaming press could compare sizes. Come Tuesday morning the internet was ablaze with debate.

I’ve seen scores of gamers now rallying behind PS4 thanks to its lower £349 / $399 price-point, grunting technical specs, open used game policy, a ‘let the publisher’s decide’ approach to used DRM, an almost revolving door policy to indies and an impressive pre-E3 conference in tow.

By comparison Microsoft’s showing offered a few tantalising game announcement and trailers such as Titanfall from Respawn, that very lovely Metal Gear Solid 5 trailer and a Halo 5 teaser. It wasn’t a bad show from an IP perspective, but one problem continues to linger in the mind.

At £429 / $499 It’s quite expensive.

There’s a $100 dollar difference between PS4 and Xbox One in the States and while that might seem like a small gap in the grand scheme of things, for many gamers it is a canyon that will ultimately decide their format of choice moving into the next-generation.

The console hobby isn’t getting cheaper, even as the volume of free-to-play titles and affordable digital games rises. Here in the UK boxed games are launching at an RRP of £44.99 in many cases, and then there’s additional add-ons like online activation codes, DLC expansions and your monthly Xbox Live Gold subscription on top of that. Don’t even get me started on the price of some full console games online.

Sure, no one’s forcing games to lay down on all of these option extras and I day-in, day-out on this site I see people complaining that people should vote against paid DLC and micro-items by simply not buying it. But here’s the reality; some people really get attached to an IP enough – as an honest-to-god fan – that they will pay for more of it, no matter what the extras are.

It’s called brand loyalty, and it happens often. I guarantee you all that despite fears surrounding the Xbox One’s restrictions and asking price, people will still buy Microsoft’s console. It’s not because they’re mindless peons who are so indoctrinated they’ll eat any steaming shit Steve Ballmer serves up on their plate, no questions asked.

Want to see what happens to me next? Pay for it.

Instead, it’s because they love games like Halo. They will buy the new Xbox to continue the Master Chief story in Halo 5. The same goes for Forza, Killer Instinct and to be honest Titanfall looked fucking weapon didn’t it? Who are we to hurl barbs at people who are simply enjoying something that they love?

Perhaps these people aren’t happy with Xbox One, and if it means seeing a franchise to its end then maybe they’re happy to tolerate the issues at hand for now. But again that $100 difference is causing people to shift sides, among other things.

If rumours are to be believed then the price of games might also increase, and yes, I’m aware that games today are as as expensive as they have been at various other points in history. Regardless it’s still getting more expensive to be a console gamer, and if we’re to pay a pre-owned activation fee for Xbox One titles then that cost will surely rise.

At present, no publisher has stepped forward and openly admitted that it’s going to adopt the activation fee, but rest assured whichever company does it first is going to have an online shitstorm to quell.

The point is that today, even Sony has started charging for use of its online mulitplayer service, and it’s indicative of an industry that will now look at every possible way to make you pay more for the things you love. It’s nothing personal, it’s just business, because that’s what a large part of this industry is about; making money.

For me personally, I play both PS3 and Xbox 360 today and I will play PS4 and Xbox One going into next-gen. I mean, I kind of have to in order to do this job, but right now Xbox 360 is my most-used machine as it’s the one most of my mates play with online.

From what I’m hearing this week I think that will change in the next-generation. They’re mostly pre-ordering PS4 right now, so I may have to make a switch in my core console in order to keep up with them.

So back then to the $100 question; Will Sony make a loss on PS4′s generous pricing, and if so, will it use paid-for multiplayer as a way to recoup that money? On the other side, has Microsoft actually priced Xbox One correctly so this loss doesn’t happen? Has it actually got the number right, or is the company just pushing its luck?

Over to you folks.

 

[Man Called X]

Here's my biggest issue with the Xbox One.

Consoles still end up in bedrooms as much as they do living rooms. I know I'm poor white trash, but as a kid, I never had a bedroom where I would've had the room for a Kinect to actually be usable. In the living room, sure, but not in the bedroom. And kids are still a huge boom of sales for consoles. I can't use the Kinect in my current bedroom, I'm too tall for the limited amount of room I have. My fiancee can, but she's a foot shorter than me. Does that mean that I would not be able to use the new console in my bedroom, but only in the living room?

That's a HUGE factor that has all been untalked about.

 

[CornerThree]

Isn't there some rumored Microsoft branded Xbox set top box type thing? Would be amazing if you could stream play off the console in your living room on the box in another room. Wouldn't be shocked if that ended up being a feature of the console.

 

[Rookie]

It really sucks. I was always a Sony guy. Had the first PS and PS2, then changed to 360 which I liked better than the PS4. I'm gonna have to go back to Sony now. I have no clue what made Microsoft think this would be a good idea.
But the only thing that matters here is KDH3 is finally fucking coming.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I think it basically says everything about public opinion that, on Amazon, you can still buy the Xbox Day One Edition, but the PS4 Launch Edition is out of stock. :chuckles:

 

[gourimoko]

Just look at every poll online, or even the poll at the top of the page. I would venture to guess that most of us in this forum own a 360, and prefer the 360 - I do - but most of us will likely buy a PS4 and not an Xbox One. That's a big shift.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Just look at every poll online, or even the poll at the top of the page. I would venture to guess that most of us in this forum own a 360, and prefer the 360 - I do - but most of us will likely buy a PS4 and not an Xbox One. That's a big shift.

Yup. I own both systems right now and always preferred the 360 for multi-platform games (bought the PS3 for MGS4 and other exclusives), but currently only plan to buy the PS4. I think Microsoft dun shit the bed.

 

[pr26]

Just look at every poll online, or even the poll at the top of the page. I would venture to guess that most of us in this forum own a 360, and prefer the 360 - I do - but most of us will likely buy a PS4 and not an Xbox One. That's a big shift.

A huge shift.

I'd say 90% of my friends who are 360 players have told me they are switching to PS4 at launch. NONE of my PS3 friends have told me that they are going to make the jump to X1. None.

You can say what you want about Microsoft, but they REALLY fucked up this launch from a PR perspectives. And they can say "it's not a sprint" all they want, but this time is HUGE for a launch. Hell, I was a PS2 owner and I switched to the 360 because I was so turned off my the PS3's lackluster reveal and crazy launch price.

I'm going to grab a PS4, hopefully at launch if I have the spare cash, because I just want a solid gaming machine with no hassle. PS4 has less restrictions, more potential in the graphics department, doesn't force entertainment options I'm not interested in down my throat, and honestly seems to want to earn my hard earned cash a little bit more.

Pretty excited for the next-gen. Can't stop watching the Witcher 3 trailer and the FF XV footage....I can't remember the last time a FF game actually excited me.

 

[Triplethreat]

Getting PS4 this time around for pretty much all the reasons stated here. More power, lower price, used games, etc. That being said, not being able to play Halo 5 is going to kill me as I have played all 5 previous installments so much. Add the shittier PS controller and it's a risky decision. Hopefully Sony can lock down some good exclusives so I don't regret this decision later on based on the game market..

Really looking forward to Destiny, hopefully that will fill my Halo void. :chuckles:

 

[N7RobBob]

I've never really owned a sony system. I briefly had a ps3 that sat and collected dust and a vita that i wanted nothing to do with, thanks to my job. I got rid of both of them and my xb360 is my entertainment box since i cut the cable cord over 6 months ago. I've slowed down my game playing considerably, so i use netflix and hulu more often then not.

With all that being said, I'm highly leaning towards a ps4 when i do dive into next gen consoles. I'm not going to try to sell someone on a either system, just try to get them what they want out of their system. Microsoft has been so blatantly blase about what they are doing to the consumer that it scares me as someone who wants to continue to game. I have friends who won't stop talking about how awesome the Xbox One is going to be and they have been trying to convince others how great the new system is going to be. Of course i might be a bit sad when i won't be able to play titanfall or halo, but i'd rather play Bungie's new baby in Destiny than try to play with 343 Studios "Call of Duty" Halo.

At the end of the day as long as each of us are happy about our purchase, why try to change someones mind about how they spend their entertainment dollar. Whether it be downtown watching the Indians, Cavs, or Browns or if it's on a certain type of music, movies, tv shows, or video games. There will be no "correct" answer, just people trying to find some time to enjoy their free time.