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GAME 68 | Cavaliers vs Heat | Wednesday Mar. 20 7:00 pm

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SuperSurge said:
That's bullshit, watch the replay. Ellington goes into the paint to set the screen for Miles coming to the top of the key. Then Ellington sprints to the wing and comes around a screen WIDE THE FUCK OPEN as Miles forces up the shot with 2.5 seconds or so left.
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Right, so when you get that question, you say, "Well we wanted to get Wayne off a screen but we wanted to make sure we got a shot off. So it wasn't ideal but we got a clean look"

Instead our coach says that was the shot they wanted, and that they wanted CJ or Wayne. And laughs throughout the presser.

I know I'm nitpicking on his choice of words but I'm just really baffled by his coaching in the second half. And people, particularly Rich, don't get me wrong. That blown lead had a lot to do with the Heat starting to hit the shots that they normally hit, us being undermanned, etc... So it isn't ALL Byron's fault, but it doesn't excuse the horrible job he did in the 2nd half.
 
The defenders of Scott are missing the bigger point....

For one night, our starters didn't need 8 minute blows. It's been a point of contention for me the entire season, but again, I get it. Kyrie typically comes out around the 9-10 minute mark in the third, and doesn't come back in until the last 6 minutes. It's craziness even for a fragile PG. I've honestly believed it was part of the tanking process, b/c to sit your star the first 6 minutes of the most important period is insane. 99% of NBA coaches bring their stars back in at 8 minutes in the 4th.

Tonight was an extension of that. Tristan got pulled in the third with 4 minutes left on the clock. Miami then cut the lead from 24 to 9. Miami then went on a 9-0 run to start the 4th, and Tristan still didn't see the court until the 8 minute mark. For one night, Byron could really have gone wild, and given our second year player a few extra minutes. I don't think anyone would have minded if Tristan had to sit an extra 2 minutes in their next game just to make sure he doesn't get too tired.

It's really no different with Shaun. I understand his knee history, but the guy really could have come in to start the 4th to get some type of rhythm back offensively, and then substitute him out at the 9 minutes mark for a 3 minute blow.

The point is, you don't rest your best players 8 minutes at a time. Unless you are intentionally trying to sabotage your team, which is a possibility. But not tonight. You don't do it tonight. Not to these fans, and not on a night when Miami is going for 24 straight. It was bullshit.
 
Damage said:
Agreed, so why not set up the low post game? it was working so well before, why not go back to it? Made no sense.
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I don't know why this team forgets Thompson exists after the first quarter? It's been a problem all season. Maybe thats partly on Byron. But I'd also say it's partly on the fact he's also playing with a lot of youthful guys that just aren't sure how to play the game yet.
 
This might not have much to do with this game specifically, but when was the last time Scott got tossed from a game? Whenever his teams gets absolutely screwed, he just stands there and says nothing. He just refuses to get into the refs face no matter how bad the officiating is. Stand up for your players once in a while for God's sake.
 
Rondo said:
Stop blaming the loss on Bobbie Gibson. Yes, he is not very good, but Byron's coaching was atrocious tonight. We were up by 27 points. 27! This is more the coach's fault than anyone else.
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I just feel like anytime a professional basketball team is up by 27 in the 2nd half .... sure the coach can fuck up but you gotta seriously blow it as players to actually lose.
 
Rich said:
No one is pretending Daniel Gibson is any good. He blows. He does almost nothing well anymore, including shooting he ball. But you can't play Shaun Livingston 45 minutes. IT isn't fair to him. It's also fairly close to being morally wrong to a guy you know has had that many knee problems.
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I couldn't disagree more. Nothing personal at all, but for one massive game, when everything is going right, I don't give a fuck about a guys knee problems. He signed up to play basketball. I doubt he signed a minute per game limit when he signed his contract.

I want to best 5 out there as much as I can get. After watching Boobie play for 2 minutes, you could tell he didn't belong on an NBA court tonight.
 
SauDogg said:
This might not have much to do with this game specifically, but when was the last time Scott got tossed from a game? Whenever his teams gets absolutely screwed, he just stands there and says nothing. He just refuses to get into the refs face no matter how bad the officiating is. Stand up for your players once in a while for God's sake.
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Remind you of a certain former Cleveland Indians manager?
 
No, I will squarely put most of this loss on Daniel Gibson and that's that.

Do you realize part of the plan tonight was to attack Ray Allen, because Ray Allen is quite possibly the worst defensive guard in the league right now? Do you realize when Gibson came in, they put Allen on him, and Gibson could, honest to god, not get by him? Like, he tried a few times, and COULD NOT DO IT. Moreover, he simply turned the ball over with Ray fucking Allen on him. Nah, most of that loss is on Gibson. He simply killed the entire offense for the, what, 4 minutes he played in the 3rd quarter? Almost exclusively on him.
 
So I've come away from this thread with the fact that none of you have ever coached a game in your lives yet you somehow critique a coach based on rotations and timeouts without full knowledge of any general play called throughout the entire game...

Byron would have been better off losing by 30 in the first quarter.

Too much 92.3 the fan...
 
Rich said:
No, I will squarely put most of this loss on Daniel Gibson and that's that.

Do you realize part of the plan tonight was to attack Ray Allen, because Ray Allen is quite possibly the worst defensive guard in the league right now? Do you realize when Gibson came in, they put Allen on him, and Gibson could, honest to god, not get by him? Like, he tried a few times, and COULD NOT DO IT. Moreover, he simply turned the ball over with Ray fucking Allen on him. Nah, most of that loss is on Gibson. He simply killed the entire offense for the, what, 4 minutes he played in the 3rd quarter? Almost exclusively on him.
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And he should have never been in the game in the 2nd half. And before you respond, I know... "he's our only other option at point guard." I just still disagree. I'd honestly let Tristan Thompson run the point before Gibson. And that dude i KNOW had 48 minutes of energy tonight.
 
You watch a 27pt lead dwindle down while Luke Walton and Daniel gibson are on the floor barely hitting the rim on their shot, and turning the ball over!!! Are you f***ing kidding me!?!? Zeller and Thompson looked great tonight but you let them rot on the bench. If you werent going to play Zeller in the 4th then you should have let him pick up 2 more fouls in the 3rd. He boxed out an kept them off the glass.

I loved Byron Scott, but his rotations tonight were pathetic, he stood there like a punk when his team got screwed, and called zero plays for TT in the 2nd half. Christ, when he had that 10 on bosh in q1, I would have kept feeding him the entire damn game. Throw a Mike Brown fit with a few minutes left to fire up your team. That would have jump started our comeback, and we may have not been to late.
 
UDcleveland said:
And he should have never been in the game in the 2nd half. And before you respond, I know... "he's our only other option at point guard." I just still disagree. I'd honestly let Tristan Thompson run the point before Gibson. And that dude i KNOW had 48 minutes of energy tonight.
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Thompson should have went 40.

I thought, for a minute, Ellington should run the point, but he turned the ball over at extremely high rate in the 3rd and 4th.

But to blame playing Gibson on Scott makes no sense. It would be just as silly to play Miles at point as it is to bring Gibson in. That's a roster problem, not a coach problem.
 
Rich said:
No, I will squarely put most of this loss on Daniel Gibson and that's that.

Do you realize part of the plan tonight was to attack Ray Allen, because Ray Allen is quite possibly the worst defensive guard in the league right now? Do you realize when Gibson came in, they put Allen on him, and Gibson could, honest to god, not get by him? Like, he tried a few times, and COULD NOT DO IT. Moreover, he simply turned the ball over with Ray fucking Allen on him. Nah, most of that loss is on Gibson. He simply killed the entire offense for the, what, 4 minutes he played in the 3rd quarter? Almost exclusively on him.
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But then again, why is our game plan to attack Ray Allen, when our extremely young and inexperienced bigs are destroying them inside?

We can't adjust when we see success inside and they put Allen on Boobs? Make an adjustment.
 
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JSS2306 said:
So I've come away from this thread with the fact that none of you have ever coached a game in your lives yet you somehow critique a coach based on rotations and timeouts without full knowledge of any general play called throughout the entire game...

Byron would have been better off losing by 30 in the first quarter.

Too much 92.3 the fan...
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JS stands for Jerry Sloan. I knew it :hail:
 
billmac91 said:
The defenders of Scott are missing the bigger point....

For one night, our starters didn't need 8 minute blows. It's been a point of contention for me the entire season, but again, I get it. Kyrie typically comes out around the 9-10 minute mark in the third, and doesn't come back in until the last 6 minutes. It's craziness even for a fragile PG. I've honestly believed it was part of the tanking process, b/c to sit your star the first 6 minutes of the most important period is insane. 99% of NBA coaches bring their stars back in at 8 minutes in the 4th.

Tonight was an extension of that. Tristan got pulled in the third with 4 minutes left on the clock. Miami then cut the lead from 24 to 9. Miami then went on a 9-0 run to start the 4th, and Tristan still didn't see the court until the 8 minute mark. For one night, Byron could really have gone wild, and given our second year player a few extra minutes. I don't think anyone would have minded if Tristan had to sit an extra 2 minutes in their next game just to make sure he doesn't get too tired.

It's really no different with Shaun. I understand his knee history, but the guy really could have come in to start the 4th to get some type of rhythm back offensively, and then substitute him out at the 9 minutes mark for a 3 minute blow.

The point is, you don't rest your best players 8 minutes at a time. Unless you are intentionally trying to sabotage your team, which is a possibility. But not tonight. You don't do it tonight. Not to these fans, and not on a night when Miami is going for 24 straight. It was bullshit.
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So those 8 minutes of blow are the reason we lost? Oh ok because I thought it was because they were human and any human usually gets 8 minutes of NBA breather but I guess I was sadly mistaken. I suppose you're right and the players tonight would have had super human strength in order to completely blow out a 24 win streak team with ease.

We should have beat them by 27 points easy... What the hell was Byron doing?
 
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