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John Beilein: Continuing his education

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Grade the coaching hire

  • A+

    Votes: 13 13.0%
  • A

    Votes: 51 51.0%
  • B

    Votes: 30 30.0%
  • C

    Votes: 4 4.0%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .
I feel bad for the other assistant coaches, specially Gottlieb... Had a nice college gig that she left for this mess, not sure what her standing is now with the team... If she is let go after these turn of events, it's gonna leave a bad taste on the mouth...

At the barest minimum, Gottlieb would get to add "NBA assistant coach" to her resume, which will make it more likely she gets hired elsewhere in the league even if she were let go from here. She'll be fine because the push to hire females is league-wide, and she now goes to near the top of anyone's list. I'd imagine the lost opportunity might matter more to some of the male coaches.

But of course, that's all dependent on the assumption that Bickerstaff will make those changes at all, and he very well may not. I actually suspect Gottlieb is most likely to be retained than the others.
 
The end of an era. Johnny, we hardly knew ya.

I guess if you want to hire a college coach it better be a young, adaptable guy like Brad Stevens rather than an old, set-in-his-ways screamer.

Starting Friday the Cavs will be a much different team than we've seen so far, except for the last two games. Andre Drummond gives us a presence in the paint. Tristan Thompson will play fewer minutes as a result and with no need to pace himself he can go all out when he's on the floor. He had a huge game against Atlanta on Thursday with 27 points and 11 boards. Obviously that's not going to be his typical game the rest of the season, but he should be very productive playing limited minutes.

The ripple effect occurs at power forward where Love and Nance will divide up 48 minutes. It might turn out that whoever is playing the best or has the best matchup that night will get more minutes. Thompson got on a roll Thursday so Beilein left him in and he played 26 minutes off the bench. Drummond only played 22 minutes but got 14 points and 15 rebounds.

I'm thinking the Cavs should be in the upper third of the league at both center and power forward both in terms of starters and primary backups. Can anybody name a better backup center than Thompson or a better backup power forward than Nance? Well, maybe Dwight Howard.

It will be interesting to see the difference between a Beilein coached team with no Drummond and a Bickerstaff coached team with Drummond. Will there be a huge improvement? A minor improvement? No improvement?

We'll find out quickly. The Cavs play three games in four days starting Friday, with back-to-back games on Saturday and Monday against the 35-19 Miami Heat, who beat the Cavs by 11 and 24 points in November. The Heat staggered into the break losing four of five, but all on the road against top Western Conference teams. But they're 8-9 in their last 17 games, including overtime wins against Sacramento and Washington. Starting center Myers Leonard is out and possibly Tyler "Rising Star" Herro as well. The Cavs should have a huge advantage in the pivot at least.
 
Yeah...lets see how many games before they stop listening to Bickerstaff.

He’s heard a ton of suggestions and criticism of Beilein probably. Should be interesting to see what changes he implements as a result. I’m hoping he benches Garland and inserts KPJ into the starting lineup. Drummond clogging up the paint defensively and ideal size matchups in the backcourt would be a start. I think Sexton has outplayed Garland but I wouldn’t be upset if he benched Sexton either for fit purposes. Those two kids can’t play with each other (staggered together against bench units isn’t terrible).
 
The only thing that matters this season and next is figuring out if any of these young guys can be part of a winning team through development. No idea if Bickerstaff has any skill in that regard but I expect his tenure to be short as well as nothing from his past suggests he is an ace that just needed another chance.
 
Honestly I'm embarrassed by all this. Some type of nonsense just always seems to happen with the Cavs and it's frustrating. We go through Coaches like something unrivaled by any franchise in sports (well maybe the Knicks).

Beilein wanting out or not, players wanting him out or not, GM wanting him out or not, this is just another black eye for a franchise that for the most part has been the laughing stock of the league for quite some time.
 
Griffin fired Blatt mid-season for personality issues. That worked out, but it may have worked out with Blatt too. We’ll never know.

now this hire isn’t working out because “personality conflicts” more or less. Rumored that Dan made the hire.

People talk about “organization issues” which is a nice way of saying “poor ownership.” It all trickles down from ownership. Owners hire bad executives, bad executives fill the ranks with morons. Etc etc. or they hire good people but meddle too much for them to effectively do their jobs.

I’ve been Team Dan from the git. I still don’t think there’s another person on the planet who would open up the wallet for the Cavs like Dan did. But, he’s an overall bad owner who got lucky lebron decided to come back. I’m off the train.
 
Honestly I'm embarrassed by all this. Some type of nonsense just always seems to happen with the Cavs and it's frustrating. We go through Coaches like something unrivaled by any franchise in sports (well maybe the Knicks).

Beilein wanting out or not, players wanting him out or not, GM wanting him out or not, this is just another black eye for a franchise that for the most part has been the laughing stock of the league for quite some time.
This does not always happen to the Cavs. It's a crazy situation and the team has done poorly with coaches, but a first year coach leaving int he middle of his first year is a rare occurrence. This is only the third time it has happened in all of NBA history and it has never happened to the Cavs before.
 
Before long the Browns won't be the most dysfunctional, unstable organization in Cleveland anymore. I know the Indians aren't perfect but they're by far the best-run franchise in Cleveland.
 

Maybe the next rendition of the rebuild won’t have guys leaving or plotting to leave millions behind just to get away from this mess. Dude was traded for a 2nd round pick, only played 2 games, is a dinosaur positionally yet is attempting to call his own shots already.

Maybe next times Dan/Koby won’t get obsessed with winning momentary headline by acquiring big names and perhaps acquire for fit (draft/trade with roster construction in mind and mix of “right” vets with youth timeline). Nothing changes until we draft a superstar but start somewhere.

get Kevin the fuck out of here
 
Griffin fired Blatt mid-season for personality issues. That worked out, but it may have worked out with Blatt too. We’ll never know.

now this hire isn’t working out because “personality conflicts” more or less. Rumored that Dan made the hire.

People talk about “organization issues” which is a nice way of saying “poor ownership.” It all trickles down from ownership. Owners hire bad executives, bad executives fill the ranks with morons. Etc etc. or they hire good people but meddle too much for them to effectively do their jobs.

I’ve been Team Dan from the git. I still don’t think there’s another person on the planet who would open up the wallet for the Cavs like Dan did. But, he’s an overall bad owner who got lucky lebron decided to come back. I’m off the train.

The driving force in this hire was Gansey and Altman not Gilbert per all reports. Gilbert has had health problems since before the season started. Pointing the finger at anyone in the Cavs organization for Beilein being a bitch is moronic. If this was the teams decision Beilein wouldn't have walked away from 12 Million. I'm not saying Altman is good at his job, I'm not saying Gilbert isn't a meddlesome owner. But this is 100 percent on Beilein getting in over his head and running away like a bitch.
 

List of grievance Beilein had against the Cavaliers or NBA in general (players/GM):

(1) Players missing practice for mild soreness or missing games (baffled by Love sitting out back-to-back while healthy)
(2) Going off of that winning didn't seem like a priority for the players (struggled to grasp or retain basic fundamental information -- led to long film sessions)
(3) He was thrown off by Clarkson trade. Natural bench scorer off a team that struggled with offensive production.


List of grievances against Beilein mentioned in the article:

(1) Two-a-days practices during SL/Training camp causing injuries (Windler + Garland)
(2) Harping on them in practice and film sessions (Called a dictator by a source)
(3) Called them thugs --- Players ultimately weren't happy with his explanation or not owning up to it being the straw that broke the camels back. He never recovered from this. Maybe that's when he lost the young players too (I doubt Sexton complained about working hard but maybe took a holistic team approach).

His tenure in Cleveland essentially ended during a film session on Jan. 8 in a Detroit hotel, of all places. That’s when he called his players “thugs” during a film session. He insisted later he meant to say slugs, and he tried to apologize the next day, but a number of the players never really embraced his explanation. In fact, some of them thought it was an insult to their intelligence, one player told The Athletic.

“There was no coming back from that,” he said.

Instead, multiple players began playing songs that included the word “thug” whenever Beilein was within earshot, sources said: Bone Thugz-n-Harmony’s “Thuggish Ruggish Bone” and Tupac’s “Thugz Mansion” among them. As the team boarded the bus a few days after the incident, one player was intentionally playing Trick Daddy’s “I’m a Thug” with Beilein a few feet away. Other players blasted songs with the word “thug” loudly during workouts in the facility. Players did this to make light of a very tough situation, according to one team source.

“The worst part to me was not owning that he said it,” one player told The Athletic.


IMO, If this is the case and this incident was never smoothed over with the players then this falls squarely on the Koby. You either get rid of the players who are that immature or you read the locker room (hello Mr. Griffin) and come to a mutual split early January. To be fair to Koby, Dan was unhealthy and it's a big call considering it's his hire (article cites that Gilbert denied he made the call on Beilein fwiw).

This was a terrible culture fit all around. I wish JB luck the rest of the way, hope Beilein lands on his feet with a major program (Texas looks promising) but I also hope I don't have to watch Love in a Cavs jersey for long. The lack of professionalism from that dude compared to his minimal impact on winning is pretty jarring.
 
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He’s heard a ton of suggestions and criticism of Beilein probably. Should be interesting to see what changes he implements as a result. I’m hoping he benches Garland and inserts KPJ into the starting lineup. Drummond clogging up the paint defensively and ideal size matchups in the backcourt would be a start. I think Sexton has outplayed Garland but I wouldn’t be upset if he benched Sexton either for fit purposes. Those two kids can’t play with each other (staggered together against bench units isn’t terrible).

What I hope is Bickerstaff can implement more plays for the guards to run to get the vets/bigs easy looks. Instead of relying so heavily on Garland and Sexton to make the right read from sets, have a certain amount of plays so Love, TT, and Drummond can get their touches to keep them happy. Not having to just rely on dumping the ball down to each of them to get their touches might help to improve their relationship with the guards. If the guards are able to get the bigs easy buckets from plays, maybe the bigs will be more forgiving when they miss a read on sets. Hopefully that results in the bigs being less likely to go rogue and shut out the guards.
 
Goodbye Granpa B, you didn't move like a slug getting yourself out of the mess the Cavs is right now...

I hope the vets didn't poisoned the young one's minds and hampen their development lobgterm.... never imagined KLove can be such a poison, thought the Minnesota issues were more about the management. ..

This just makes me more hesitant about Koby, it's been pretty rough couple of years... Doesn't have a good grasp of building and managing a team so far.... Garland/Windler picks might end up as a wastes if they are purely Beilein picks to fit his system, KPJ seems to be a baller though...
 

List of grievance Beilein had against the Cavaliers or NBA in general (players/GM):

(1) Players missing practice for mild soreness or missing games (baffled by Love sitting out back-to-back while healthy)
(2) Going off of that winning didn't seem like a priority for the players (struggled to grasp or retain basic fundamental information -- led to long film sessions)
(3) He was thrown off by Clarkson trade. Natural bench scorer off a team that struggled with offensive production.


List of grievances against Beilein mentioned in the article:

(1) Two-a-days practices during SL/Training camp causing injuries (Windler + Garland)
(2) Harping on them in practice and film sessions (Called a dictator by a source)
(3) Called them thugs --- Players ultimately weren't happy with his explanation or not owning up to it being the straw that broke the camels back. He never recovered from this. Maybe that's when he lost the young players too (I doubt Sexton complained about working hard but maybe took a holistic team approach).

His tenure in Cleveland essentially ended during a film session on Jan. 8 in a Detroit hotel, of all places. That’s when he called his players “thugs” during a film session. He insisted later he meant to say slugs, and he tried to apologize the next day, but a number of the players never really embraced his explanation. In fact, some of them thought it was an insult to their intelligence, one player told The Athletic.

“There was no coming back from that,” he said.

Instead, multiple players began playing songs that included the word “thug” whenever Beilein was within earshot, sources said: Bone Thugz-n-Harmony’s “Thuggish Ruggish Bone” and Tupac’s “Thugz Mansion” among them. As the team boarded the bus a few days after the incident, one player was intentionally playing Trick Daddy’s “I’m a Thug” with Beilein a few feet away. Other players blasted songs with the word “thug” loudly during workouts in the facility. Players did this to make light of a very tough situation, according to one team source.

“The worst part to me was not owning that he said it,” one player told The Athletic.


IMO, If this is the case and this incident was never smoothed over with the players then this falls squarely on the Koby. You either get rid of the players who are that immature or you read the locker room (hello Mr. Griffin) and come to a mutually split early January. To be fair to Koby, Dan was unhealthy and it's a big call considering it's his hire (article cites that Gilbert denied he made the call on Beilein fwiw).

This was a terrible culture fit all around. I wish JB luck the rest of the way, hope Beilein lands on his feet with a major program (Texas looks promising) but I also hope I don't have to watch Love in a Cavs jersey for long. The lack of professionalism from that dude compared to his minimal impact on winning is pretty jarring.


He should have been fired or resigned for calling the players thugs. I knew it was going to be a huge problem then. Like,I said back then, when you say that towards a bunch of black men it's a huge problem. It's like he didn't understand what's going on today,especially what happened to Richard Sherman. You had a bunch of white people calling an educated black man a thug to replace the n-word to hide their racism...And,then when people call them out on it,they want say thug isn't a racist word and all this stuff.

The word "boy" was used towards black men because the slave owners thought they weren't equal to them yet someone will come here and dispute me when it comes to the word thug.

There are many everyday words that's used every single day but when you say that towards a black person it's used in a negative way or replaces the actual racist word.
 

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