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The only trade the Cavs should make is to move up to the top of the draft. Again I like Mobley but drafting him does not address the Cavs most glaring weakness a tall athletic SG/SF that can shoot and create off the dribble.
 
The only trade the Cavs should make is to move up to the top of the draft. Again I like Mobley but drafting him does not address the Cavs most glaring weakness a tall athletic SG/SF that can shoot and create off the dribble.
To be fair, we have a lot of "biggest weaknesses"

We're severely lacking in length at every position as well as someone who can finish and defend in the paint.
 
The only trade the Cavs should make is to move up to the top of the draft. Again I like Mobley but drafting him does not address the Cavs most glaring weakness a tall athletic SG/SF that can shoot and create off the dribble.

I really disagree with this approach. I understand some Cavs fans have targeted one specific player and would be furious if that guy goes to Detroit or Houston.

I just look back at what everyone thought of this draft class for the past few years as well as all season: Special class of 19 year olds with about 5-8 players with All Star potential. Suggs, Green, Mobley, Cunningham, and Barnes were all equally ranked a year ago along with Kuminga. Seems like Kuminga didn't develop as much as the others, but add to that group the rapid development of Sengun.

The value on this draft is rock solid through the first five or six picks, the draft order simply allows teams to prioritize fit. I'm fine staying at three and trying to wiggle into the second half of the stacked draft in other ways.
 
I really disagree with this approach. I understand some Cavs fans have targeted one specific player and would be furious if that guy goes to Detroit or Houston.

I just look back at what everyone thought of this draft class for the past few years as well as all season: Special class of 19 year olds with about 5-8 players with All Star potential. Suggs, Green, Mobley, Cunningham, and Barnes were all equally ranked a year ago along with Kuminga. Seems like Kuminga didn't develop as much as the others, but add to that group the rapid development of Sengun.

The value on this draft is rock solid through the first five or six picks, the draft order simply allows teams to prioritize fit. I'm fine staying at three and trying to wiggle into the second half of the stacked draft in other ways.
I just do not think you could go wrong with Mobley or green

Suggs just does not do it for me in the top 3. Kuminga. I’m leery about people that have played bball for like 6 years

give me green or Mobley I’m good
 
Not one possible reason to trade out of 3 unless they are letting us move up using Cedi and not even sure I would do that

Don’t trade up because why burn a valuable asset when the top 3 is way closer then these analysts say.

Don't trade down because you increase your chance of messing it up.

Take the BPA and then either see how it plays out or use your assets to to round out the roster.

We have to nail this pick while maintaining our best assets!

The only thing that changes that for me is if we would move Sexton and no chance I do that unless it’s a hell of a deal.
 
Not one possible reason to trade out of 3 unless they are letting us move up using Cedi and not even sure I would do that

Don’t trade up because why burn a valuable asset when the top 3 is way closer then these analysts say.

Don't trade down because you increase your chance of messing it up.

Take the BPA and then either see how it plays out or use your assets to to round out the roster.

We have to nail this pick while maintaining our best assets!

The only thing that changes that for me is if we would move Sexton and no chance I do that unless it’s a hell of a deal.

If Cedi is all it takes to move up, we are not burning a valuable asset.

That said, there is no world where we can move up using Cedi.
 
The Celtics traded out of #1 for #3 + additional picks to the Sixers in the 2017 draft. They got Tatum who they thought was going to be available at #3 and who they would've taken if they kept the #1 pick. It would be funny if Pistons tried to replicate that with Green being their target only for Houston or Cleveland to trade up to #1 and take Green instead of Cunningham.
 
Does anyone has any thoughts on what Cade Cunningham looks like if he's not a primary ball handler? He played that way in HS and his lone year in college. I can see a team putting the ball in his hands in the League, too, but I think that'll be a mistake. However, I struggle to think who/what he'll be without ISO ball for himself. Has he shown any penchant for catch-and-shoot skill? Does he move well without the ball? As average as a few think he'll be as a playmaker, is there a reason to think he'll be better as a play finisher?

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I’m in the minority of people that believe he’ll be more effective in the NBA (I see a young Joe Johnson) than college because he won’t be seeing all of those box in one zones or double teams because he’ll have much shooters/players around him.
 
I’m in the minority of people that believe he’ll be more effective in the NBA (I see a young Joe Johnson) than college because he won’t be seeing all of those box in one zones or double teams because he’ll have much shooters/players around him.

I can see Iso Joe as a good comp, but will let @Nathan S and @I'mWithDan do the statistical comparisons. Does Cade have the same killer/dawg in him that Joe did? *I* don't see it (I'm partial to Joe, and not too fond of Cade, as players), but its not as off-putting of a comp as others have put forth (like Luka, Ben Simmons, Lebron, etc).
 
I can see Iso Joe as a good comp, but will let @Nathan S and @I'mWithDan do the statistical comparisons. Does Cade have the same killer/dawg in him that Joe did? *I* don't see it (I'm partial to Joe, and not too fond of Cade, as players), but its not as off-putting of a comp as others have put forth (like Luka, Ben Simmons, Lebron, etc).

I do think Cade's a good competitor. He hustles. He's not afraid of the moment. But his style/limitations do lead to a lot of tough contested jumpers when he goes 1-on-1.
 
Just listened to the Fedor podcast. Here's a summary of the points made. I'll number them so posters can respond easier. Please don't kill the messenger.

1. Houston is "extremely difficult to peg". They have a new front office without much history to go on. But they are not in a position to consider "fit"; they need to grab the biggest talent. That being said, Jalen Green is similar to Kevin Porter, Jr while Evan Mobley is similar to Christian Wood. Neither is a perfect fit.

2. Mobley is a 7-footer who plays like a power forward, kind of a Kevin Durant without the shooting ability, or a Chris Bosh or Anthony Davis. He's a "unicorn" in terms of his ball-handling, vision, and playmaking ability at that size. Green is an "athletic freak". Nowadays the NBA attaches more value to a wing like Green than a big like Mobley, but Mobley is the "cleaner and better prospect". It's a wash; Mobley has a little more talent while Green plays the more important position. In cases where the talent is equal, fit becomes the tiebreaker. Houston easily could go either way, but with the NBA consensus being that Mobley probably has the edge in talent Fedor expects Houston to take the big man. The Cavs would then take Green. If Houston takes Green the Cavs take Mobley. Around the league opinions are split on which direction Houston will go.

3. "Talent wins in the NBA". The best strategy is to maximize talent and then make the fit work. Hard to see the Cavs taking Jalen Suggs, who biggest selling points are leadership and intangibles.

4. Suggs would be the "toughest fit" for the Cavs because he's a playmaker and you want the ball in his hands - same as Darius Garland. However, Suggs is "different enough" from Garland that it would be doable. Suggs is stronger and more physical than either Garland or Sexton. Garland is a "sniper" who could play off the ball and knock down shots. But Suggs is more about leadership and intangibles than pure talent, and talent wins in the NBA.

(My reaction is that if Suggs is a step below Mobley and Green in pure talent and he's also the "toughest fit" of the three then why should he even be a consideration?)

5. The question came up as to whether they could play Allen, Mobley and Nance together. Fedor thinks that would be possible against some opponents depending on the matchups.

6. Kevin Love should not be a consideration when it comes to who they pick. He can't stay healthy, he's on the wrong side of 30, and his skills are diminishing. The Cavs planned to reduce his minutes regardless of where they picked in the draft. Fedor specifically mentioned something like 18-20 minutes per game. He's no longer a 30-minute player. Anything they get from him should be considered a bonus.

7. Green could be the best fit for the Cavs. His style is not the same as Sexton, who is more of a creator. Green is more of a catch-and-shoot guy and you can play him off the ball. Drafting Green would not mean Sexton or Garland would have to go. The Cavs should not make any assumptions but should give all three of them (or Mobley) the chance to play together and see how it works before making any blockbuster trades.

8. Green stood out playing against grown men in the G League. Impressive.

9. As for trading Sexton, Fedor has no idea who the Cavs could get in return but it makes sense to explore a trade, especially if they end up with Green. Because Sexton doesn't yet have a big salary and you would want to get a great player in return they would have to attach Love to the deal to make the salaries match. Fedor threw out a couple of names like Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram as the kind of players they might target, but he hasn't really looked into it that much.

10. Hayden Grove remarked that he heard opinions that Philly is using Ben Simmons the wrong way; he should not be a point guard but rather a small forward. Fedor said Simmons would need to have a "major shift in his thinking" and be willing to move off the point. Also, other teams have more to offer Philly than the Cavs. Philly would like to move Simmons to get somebody like Damian Lillard. The Cavs would have to offer Sexton and Love to make the salaries work and a future #1 pick as well.

11. Sexton will probably be getting $25-30 million per year once his rookie contract is up. Anybody that trades for him would have to be willing to pay him that plus give up a player the Cavs would prefer over Sexton (not to mention taking on the last two years of Love's contract). Fedor made it sound like he doesn't think that team is out there.

12. Taking Green at #3 and then trading a Sexton/Love package for somebody like Siakam or Ingram would be something to consider. (I assume they would need to kick in a lot more than Sexton and Love if they want one of those guys).
 
(My reaction is that if Suggs is a step below Mobley and Green in pure talent and he's also the "toughest fit" of the three then why should he even be a consideration?)

I think Suggs is in consideration because he would have to replace Garland or Sexton but it would put the defense into a better position. I also think Suggs could be a vocal floor general and that's why they bring up the leadership part. Fedor also described Garland as quiet. I think Garland has all the tangibles to be a good PG but there is a big question if he has the intangibles which I think Suggs has.

I only think they draft Suggs if they find a suitor for Garland which let's them get back into the top 5 or 6 in the draft. Garland and Suggs fitting together is a much bigger question mark than Suggs and Sexton fitting together. It's also a big roll of the dice either way. I'd rather try to add to the team without subtracting right now.
 
Nowadays the NBA attaches more value to a wing like Green than a big like Mobley, but Mobley is the "cleaner and better prospect". It's a wash; Mobley has a little more talent while Green plays the more important position.

I dunno about this. To me, a "wing" brings to mind a 6'7, 220 lb. guy who can guard 1-4. And yes, those guys are extremely valuable.

But size-wise, Green looks to be a straight-up shooting guard who would get bullied by most 3's and completely overmatched by 4's. I'm not sure that "position" is more valuable than a 4/5 who also can guard out on the perimeter.
 

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