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You think they can co-exist on the court defensively? Is Mobley that mobile? He is 7 feet tall after all.
Have you watched him? He’s extremely mobile. There’s some NBA analysts out there who think in today’s game he might even become a taller wing.

Mobley is the easiest / most obvious pick at #3 in like…. The history of the NBA Draft.


Praying the Cavs FO don’t overthink this.
 
Have you watched him? He’s extremely mobile. There’s some NBA analysts out there who think in today’s game he might even become a taller wing.

Mobley is the easiest / most obvious pick at #3 in like…. The history of the NBA Draft.


Praying the Cavs FO don’t overthink this.
high hips is like 9 inch hands.
 
Not sure if this is what the part of that article about Love and Sexton is implying, but I'll be freaking pissed if we end up sabotaging any return we'd get for trading Collin by adding Kevin to the deal. The absolute worst case should be a buyout -- there's no reason we should make a trade that leaves us in a worse position than buying Kevin out.

Unless we think there's any realistic value of having him on our roster the next two years, I would aggressively pursue buyout negotiations with him if I haven't already. The best opportunity to convince him to give the most money back in such a deal would be at a time when many teams have more than the vet minimum to offer him, so getting something done before the free agency period opens next month would be our best option.

His value around the league is probably as low as its ever been, so it's not like I expect teams to be lining up to offer him a contract, but I don't think it's out of the question for a team to offer him something well over the vet minimum. Offer him a chance to sign with any team if he gives back $10 to $15 million of what's owed to him over the next two years -- if he thinks he can make anything remotely close to that on a two-year deal from a contender using their taxpayer MLE, then his camp would probably agree, and we can apply the savings to our cap space next summer if we aren't planning to make a big splash in FA this year.

There's no point in keeping him around if he's going to be a distraction. And while some may want to keep him here nailed to the bench and ride out his contract, I don't think it's worth cutting off our nose just to spite our face.
I’ll bet dollars to donuts that if Love is bought out he will sign with a new team within 48 hours…..three teams that will be on the phone to him with a quickness will be Portland, Dallas, Indiana and Phillly. Book it!
 
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I’ll bet dollars to donuts that if Love is bought out he will sign with a new team within 48 hours…..three teams that will be on the phone to him with a quickness will be Portland, Dallas, Indiana and Phillly. Book it!
So? Who cares?

If your offering I’ll take the dollars and donuts but ya it’s common knowledge a former all star will sign with a contender when bought out on a prove it deal…why do we care?

Id rather buy him out and give Mobley all his minutes anyway, we can eat a year of loves contract while we are contending for a play in next year…
 
On the other hand, I know this shit means nothing but Isaac okoro/Evan Mobley PnR in summer league has me so excited for august.

Like, I was high on Isaac this past year and didn’t think he had PnR chops before the end of the year and he has me so pumped for summer league. He already looks like a muscular unit based off the cavs most recent video and I have to imagine his jumper is coming along.

His PnR chops looked real good come end of the year and giving him and Mobley some extra practice in summer league won’t hurt the teams development or their chemistry together. They seem like a dynamic defensive duo with offensive potential and even though they most likely won’t both reach their peaks, both have incredibly high ceilings.

I can’t help but be excited for the future of this team. Getting number 3 was the best thing that could have happened to this team since we are finally getting that A1 talent this draft. And supplying that with the best talent available in the past 4 drafts has me pumped.
 
Hold on a second......

When did Jaden Springer fall from lottery prospect to fringe first round pick? I just saw he's 29th in Kevin O'Connor's latest mock draft.

Talk about value there. I have Springer about 9th or 10th on my board. He's raw, he's inconsistent, he'll be a project pick, etc.... But there is some serious upside there as a big, two-way PG.

Am I missing something? Too slow? Too much mid-range??
People criticized that he couldn’t create his own shot or he took many ill advised mid range shots and got contested easily. Like you, I believe he has serious upside and can become like a Kyle Lowry player. He does have good vision and looks for his teammates under transition, his limited 3s but able to make a good amount (still lots of potential), love his defensive playmaking and has great hands to knock the ball loose, and his work ethic is great. I would select him if we can get an additional pick to be our big backup PG but definitely has potential.
 
If anything, my concern with Mobley's defense is that he may not have the right stuff physically or mentally to win battles in the paint. If he needs a defensive anchor behind him at the 5, then he's not actually giving you the versatility that you expect from a truly elite defensive big.
If you were Koby what would it take to move down from #3 to #5? I personally don't want it to happen but we are naturally hearing rumors now that the draft is nearly here.
Would #5 + #8 work? How about #5 + Okeke + #33 + a future FRP?
With an Allen/Okeke/Barnes/Okoro lineup I don't see how other teams are going to score...of course the Cavs might not be able to score either.
 
If you were Koby what would it take to move down from #3 to #5? I personally don't want it to happen but we are naturally hearing rumors now that the draft is nearly here.
Would #5 + #8 work? How about #5 + Okeke + #33 + a future FRP?
With an Allen/Okeke/Barnes/Okoro lineup I don't see how other teams are going to score...of course the Cavs might not be able to score either.
Getting Okeke and Barnes is interesting to me because it basically completes the vision of surrounding Sexton and Garland with long, athletic, high-IQ players. You'd be looking at a rotation of Garland/Sexton and Okoro/Barnes/Okeke/Nance/Allen with occasional spot minutes for Cedi or a backup center depending on matchups. If you wanted to build around Sexland, that's exactly how you'd do it.
 
Getting Okeke and Barnes is interesting to me because it basically completes the vision of surrounding Sexton and Garland with long, athletic, high-IQ players. You'd be looking at a rotation of Garland/Sexton and Okoro/Barnes/Okeke/Nance/Allen with occasional spot minutes for Cedi or a backup center depending on matchups. If you wanted to build around Sexland, that's exactly how you'd do it.
Thanks for the response. Unfortunately I'm guessing Nance will get traded regardless but this makes alot of sense.

Mobley is the solid #1 on my Cavs board but Barnes is #2. If Mobley is taken by Houston I would think long and hard about trading down for Barnes. My issue with Green is his size and fit esp since there are no official measurements on him. We've already been down this road with Okoro last year when his listed draft height just didn't mesh with the player we saw on the court. Eyeballing his size in G League highlights doesn't cut it for me. Ditching Sexton for Green probably doesn't move the meter enough in terms of wins.
 
Thanks for the response. Unfortunately I'm guessing Nance will get traded regardless but this makes alot of sense.

Mobley is the solid #1 on my Cavs board but Barnes is #2. If Mobley is taken by Houston I would think long and hard about trading down for Barnes. My issue with Green is his size and fit esp since there are no official measurements on him. We've already been down this road with Okoro last year when his listed draft height just didn't mesh with the player we saw on the court. Eyeballing his size in G League highlights doesn't cut it for me. Ditching Sexton for Green probably doesn't move the meter enough in terms of wins.
Since you said your son played against the Mobley’s in AAU and HS, what insight can you give about Mobley’s demeanor and competitive spirit. Saw the little interview he did on lottery night and his tone and body language was very quiet. I don’t need rah rah but need to know this is a kid who will dig deep when he faces adversity that comes from the massive leap to the NBA and the type of competition you face their every night. Not doubting he has it, just wanted to see if you had any personal observations or second hand info from the Southern California basketball scene?
 
If you were Koby what would it take to move down from #3 to #5? I personally don't want it to happen but we are naturally hearing rumors now that the draft is nearly here.
Would #5 + #8 work? How about #5 + Okeke + #33 + a future FRP?
With an Allen/Okeke/Barnes/Okoro lineup I don't see how other teams are going to score...of course the Cavs might not be able to score either.
As long as Mobley is available at #3, I don't think there's an offer that ORL would ever consider making that would put me over the edge. I'm not really familiar with their roster so I can't name any specific players on their team that I'd want in a trade, but in terms of draft picks, I'd need at least #5, #8, and their 2022 1st. If they insist on protecting their 2022 1st, then I'd ask for the better of their own 2023 1st unprotected or the CHI 2023 1st that they own.

I don't think ORL would ever offer that, but that's the type of offer it would take for me. If HOU fucks everything up by snagging Mobley at #2, then I'd probably be fine with #5 and #8.
 
As long as Mobley is available at #3, I don't think there's an offer that ORL would ever consider making that would put me over the edge. I'm not really familiar with their roster so I can't name any specific players on their team that I'd want in a trade, but in terms of draft picks, I'd need at least #5, #8, and their 2022 1st. If they insist on protecting their 2022 1st, then I'd ask for the better of their own 2023 1st unprotected or the CHI 2023 1st that they own.

I don't think ORL would ever offer that, but that's the type of offer it would take for me. If HOU fucks everything up by snagging Mobley at #2, then I'd probably be fine with #5 and #8.

If Green slides to us the Cavs need to sprint to the podium and draft him ASAP before they screw it up.

Green is going to be a star.
 
Since you said your son played against the Mobley’s in AAU and HS, what insight can you give about Mobley’s demeanor and competitive spirit. Saw the little interview he did on lottery night and his tone and body language was very quiet. I don’t need rah rah but need to know this is a kid who will dig deep when he faces adversity that comes from the massive leap to the NBA and the type of competition you face their every night. Not doubting he has it, just wanted to see if you had any personal observations or second hand info from the Southern California basketball scene?
His brother Isaiah was the big deal on the SoCal AAU since middle school along with a few other players at the time. The Compton Magic were hyping Isaiah long before Even showed up on the scene. I don't know what age Evan started playing AAU (maybe middle school?) but Isaiah was already long established by the Compton Magic hype machine by that time. Isaiah too was more of the leader type where Evan was more in the background. By the time Isaiah was a senior at Rancho Christian it became clear Evan had skills and was the better long term prospect. He was the one getting invites to Team USA U17 world cup tournaments. I remember Evan didn't play in at least one of the summer league tournaments since he was playing on the national team. His Dad was also very involved too, not on the Lavar Ball level, and I'm pretty sure Evan's dad is somehow tied into the USC program (maybe as an assistant coach?) which maybe also explains why Isaiah is staying in college for another season.
Anyway Evan came across as a very nice quiet kid in person but this was 2-3 years ago. Isaiah was definitely more of the vocal leader on the court but even he came across as a good kid despite all the Compton Magic hype.
 
Mobley has a few warts (needs to add muscle esp in base, needs to improve shooting, not a vocal leader on the court) but I would definitely take him at #3 and not look back. He has wonderful tools and none of his 'deficiencies' are non-fixable.

Now if Houston does take Mobley at #2 that's when I would look into the trade down scenarios with Barnes as the target. I feel the same way about Barnes. None of his deficiencies are non-fixable.

Not super excited to draft anyone under 6'-7".

If the Cavs are looking to trade down below 5 that's where they lose me.
 

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