I wouldn't take anyone over 21 in the top 20. Bane went 30th. And he was one of the players I wanted Cavs to buy a pick for. There is a big difference between taking a maxed out player in the teens then in the 20s.
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I wouldn't take anyone over 21 in the top 20. Bane went 30th. And he was one of the players I wanted Cavs to buy a pick for. There is a big difference between taking a maxed out player in the teens then in the 20s.
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Apparently, Bane should have gone top 20 though. Draymond should have as well. Hell, even Tyler Zeller ended 17th in his draft class in win shares
If they turn out well, you don't get bonus points for drafting them lower.I think a blanket statement like your bolded comment is likely to lead to some really bad drafting.
Duarte is a bad pick at 16, but a good one at 21? I can't get behind that. If he doesn't work out, then he's a bad pick. If he turns into a rotation player, he's a good pick.
If you want to argue that Duarte won't be any good in the NBA, tell me something besides his age. Tell me something he did on the court that you don't think translates or a weakness of his that will be exploited. Personally, I'm looking at him as a potential rotation player at the wing spot that can give me close to 40% shooting from deep on volume. If you don't think he can do that, tell me why.
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Apparently, Bane should have gone top 20 though. Draymond should have as well. Hell, even Tyler Zeller ended 17th in his draft class in win shares
I think a blanket statement like your bolded comment is likely to lead to some really bad drafting.
Duarte is a bad pick at 16, but a good one at 21? I can't get behind that. If he doesn't work out, then he's a bad pick. If he turns into a rotation player, he's a good pick.
Until we have that #1 or even #2 guy for sure, I agree with @NMCav in that every opportunity to find that guy with about a top 20 pick should be exhausted.
Then I switch to agreeing with you if we're sure we have that #1 & #2 guy like Champ was sure he had Booker and Ayton and could afford to lock in on finding the Bridges/Cam Johnson wing guys with the high floors.
I have hopes that Garland can show he's creeping into #3/#2 territory with a bigger jump this season and less shared floor time with Sexton but until he shows that (read: next offseason/draft) I'm rolling with that mindset to fill those #1 & #2 slots
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I think there's a limit to how many swings you can take before you end up with five or six guys trying to take charge and figure out how to be "the guy" all at once.
With Garland, Sexton (for now), and Mobley as high lotto picks still on their rookie deals (Okoro, too, I guess), I think it's more than ok to target some guys that you think have a good chance to be good role players.
I like your Suns example because while I wasn't huge on Ayton at the time (I think he was 4th on my board), I think there are parallels to be drawn with what we could do if we acquired a second 1st rounder. Take the highly rated big man (Mobley/Ayton) and then snag a guy you think can plug in and play a role on the wing (Moody, Wagner, Johnson, Duarte/Bridges).
Also, important to note that I'm not oblivious to Duarte's flaws. In that 10-20 range I'd prefer Moody, Johnson, and Wagner for sure.
He isn't a guy who has been playing his whole life, so I don't think the age carries the same meaning as it does with other guys. He played two years of HS ball and went to Juco before Oregon. So, the idea that the age means he has maxed himself out doesn't seem to apply here.
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Apparently, Bane should have gone top 20 though. Draymond should have as well. Hell, even Tyler Zeller ended 17th in his draft class in win shares
I think a blanket statement like your bolded comment is likely to lead to some really bad drafting.
Duarte is a bad pick at 16, but a good one at 21? I can't get behind that. If he doesn't work out, then he's a bad pick. If he turns into a rotation player, he's a good pick.
If you want to argue that Duarte won't be any good in the NBA, tell me something besides his age. Tell me something he did on the court that you don't think translates or a weakness of his that will be exploited. Personally, I'm looking at him as a potential rotation player at the wing spot that can give me close to 40% shooting from deep on volume. If you don't think he can do that, tell me why.
I think older players tend to make more sense for better teams. Less development needed and they have the player under team control into their prime.
For developing teams, a older player could propel a team forward quicker than they might want to and lead to missing on future players because of it. The limited ceiling of the older player might translate into earlier wins but a more limited ceiling of wins in the future.
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I explained in a recent post why I believe the opposite to be true. I think rebuilding teams should be targeting role players when they acquire additional picks while the established mediocre/decent/good teams should swing for the fences in the same range.
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I think it really depends where the pick is though. Like if it's late first round or second round, I agree. Mid-teens and lotto picks, I think teams should be shooting for overall potential to get top tier talent.
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Man, the love for Cade is getting wayyy over the top. I guess that's just the draft for you.
Man, the love for Cade is getting wayyy over the top. I guess that's just the draft for you.
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I agree with this regarding Okoro.
I also agree that Allen as a #2 is a bit lofty. I think he caps out as a #3, but is already a solid #4/5 (not really a difference between the two).
I don't think it's likely but I think best case for Okoro is a shorter Jimmy Butler. I think he could reach #2 status but most likely Okoro peaks as a #3. Allen I see as a #4. Really good defender and rebounder but will never be a key offensive player.
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I personally don’t see it at all with Okoro, so I’m the wrong demographic for this
I personally don’t see it at all with Okoro, so I’m the wrong demographic for this
I don't expect it. We are talking about his best case. He was not who I wanted last season and still not sure where I value him yet. I'll see how much he improves between years 1 and 2. But his best case to me is a shorter Jimmy Butler. I'm not at all saying he will reach it or is likely to reach it.
