Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

Ozone said:

Every one of whom was driving down Sextons value while he was being shopped smh
You honestly believe a random executive poll means something I feel sorry for you.

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I appreciate your sympathy. I happen to believe it's more likely that Garland came out at the top of the list because the execs that voted actually think he's a legit breakout candidate than it is for these execs to powwow together and collude to vote for a player they think has no trade value. Unless you think that there was no poll taken at all and that the author of the article is making it all up.

Ozone said:

I mean if anything it was the people trying to get their votes in for the 20-21 season
but it got penciled in as 21-22 smh

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The hell does this even mean?

Ozone said:

Garland should be a decent starter in a bad team I am not expecting anything else because
his ceiling is capped based on his low level of aggression seemingly low interest in shooting
and worse weak ass body

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Did Darius leave some Legos out that you stepped on barefoot or something? Unlike the Baker thread where even his harshest critics still like him and root for the guy, you're going scorched earth to tear him a new one every chance you get. Damn, another player in the league says he thinks Garland is gonna be a star and your immediate thought is that that was actually meant as an insult?

JJ_PR said:

5 years, $100 million seems like a fair contract for Sexton. He's our best player right now. We can't afford to lose him at all.

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I'd be stunned if Collin settled for that right now. If he did, I'd be very happy.

I think Collin is looking at 4/120, which is right on the edge of being a number I’m not comfortable with.

The Human Q-Tip said:

Hey, I'm sure you and Steph are just two bros hanging out together on off days honing your sarcasm together. I bet that's just the shit.

The only real question I have is whether Ayesha gets jealous when you two cuddle after one of your arrogant sarcasm sessions.

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whatever you say Sticks smh

Derek said:

I think Collin is looking at 4/120, which is right on the edge of being a number I’m not comfortable with.

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I'd let him go to restricted fa before I would sign him for that.

Derek said:

I think Collin is looking at 4/120, which is right on the edge of being a number I’m not comfortable with.

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That’s too much IMO. 5 years/$100M or 4 years/$80M is where I’d draw the line

bs80 said:

I appreciate your sympathy. I happen to believe it's more likely that Garland came out at the top of the list because the execs that voted actually think he's a legit breakout candidate than it is for these execs to powwow together and collude to vote for a player they think has no trade value. Unless you think that there was no poll taken at all and that the author of the article is making it all up.


The hell does this even mean?


Did Darius leave some Legos out that you stepped on barefoot or something? Unlike the Baker thread where even his harshest critics still like him and root for the guy, you're going scorched earth to tear him a new one every chance you get. Damn, another player in the league says he thinks Garland is gonna be a star and your immediate thought is that that was actually meant as an insult?

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Nice breakdown hope it was a waste of your precious time smh
Garland has a lot to prove this season to live up to half the expectations thrown on him by the media and this board. I think it is in fact unfair to him and foolish to think he will do those things.
I have no animosity towards people who play pro sports since I only know what they do and say on tv or other social media. I do however hold full judgement on a sleeve in the cold wind to cover the stench of ass in the air

Id do a frontloaded 5/125. Start at 30 and descent to 20

Giving this guy 30 mil per year would be an awful, tragic mistake.

I don't care about the dollars. It's not my money. What I do care about is the message that would send. You hand a dude a bag like that in a team like this, you’re cementing his status as the alpha dog for years to come. This would become "Collin Sexton's team". Just the thought makes me nauseous.

No, a $30 million per year deal in itself isn't untradeable in this NBA. We've seen that many times. But when it's attached to a guy like Sexton, it just might be.

Him signing anything with us for less than $30M AAV would be a surprise.

He’s not signing up for Jarrett Allen money, guys. If that was even close to his number, this would be done. It’s high-end role player money.

Max deals are $40M+ per year and will be $50M+ in the next five years.

If you’re not willing to sign Sexton for $30M/year, you need to stop throwing out numbers because all you’re saying is that you’re not signing him. Come up with trade proposals instead.

Derek said:

Him signing anything with us for less than $30M AAV would be a surprise.

He’s not signing up for Jarrett Allen money, guys. If that was even close to his number, this would be done. It’s high-end role player money.

Max deals are $40M+ per year and will be $50M+ in the next five years.

If you’re not willing to sign Sexton for $30M/year, you need to stop throwing out numbers because all you’re saying is that you’re not signing him. Come up with trade proposals instead.

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Trade proposals?

Who wants the privilege of giving Collin Sexton $30 mil (or more) per year? Who wants to hand over their team (or even the ball) to a guy like him?

Yeah, thought so.

This guy has very little value around the league. Just face it. This is exactly the type of case where you let the market decide the price for a player. No other considerations should come into it. No face-saving for the FO who drafted him, no "hey, we're a small market" bullshit.

Heat Check said:

Trade proposals?

Who wants the privilege of giving Collin Sexton $30 mil (or more) per year? Who wants to hand over their team (or even the ball) to a guy like him?

Yeah, thought so.

This guy has very little value around the league. Just face it.

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Yes, trade proposals.

I never said the team trading for him would be doing it with an automatic extension in mind. It would certainly be a tryout, much like what we did with Drummond.

$30M/year is also a far cry from handing the team over to him. Most decent teams will end up with two max (or near max) guys. Sexton would be a notch below that.

I also never said he had much value around the league. I’m just stating that if you’re not willing to pay his number, you have to trade him. Letting him go to restricted FA isn’t a good option, nor is letting him play out this season as a high usage player with no commitment from the franchise.

Maybe stop trying to be so combative in every post because here’s the kicker, I probably wouldn’t sign Sexton to that extension. I’m just throwing out what I believe to be reasonable numbers based on what I see going on with other contracts around the league, and what we’ve heard from insiders.

I think it’s borderline on the value, but I also know that Mobley is the golden goose, and we need to do whatever we can to build the right roster around him. I don’t see that happening with Sexton in tow.

So, if you’re not going to sign him, you have two options: let him walk, or trade him.

Therefore, hit me with some trade proposals instead of saying you’d sign him for 5/100 because 5/100 isn’t happening.

Derek said:

A, trade proposals.

I never said the team trading for him would be doing it with an automatic extension in mind. It would certainly be a tryout, much like what we did with Drummond.

$30M/year is also a far cry from handing the team over to him. Most decent teams will end up with two max (or near max) guys. Sexton would be a notch below that.

I also never said he had much value around the league. I’m just stating that if you’re not willing to pay his number, you have to trade him. Letting him go to restricted FA isn’t a good option, nor is letting him play out this season as a high usage player with no commitment from the franchise.

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That sounds good in theory, but the problem is that the Cavs apparently tried to trade him and were underwhelmed by the offers they got in response. And honestly, none of us have any idea what that actually means specifically in terms of value, so rather than discussing trades themselves, every trade discussion would devolve into a dispute as to Sexton's actual value, which none of us know anyway.

If Sexton won't sign for a number that the Cavs think is acceptable, and they can't trade him for reasonable value, then why not just have the Drummond tryout here, while he's still with the Cavs? Just keep him instead of whatever underwhelming trade truly is available, and re-evaluate at the end of the season when he and his agent will be forced to face market realities. We can always re-sign him then if we so choose. And if he turns the corner here, great. We keep him them because he apparently does like it here.

The Human Q-Tip said:

That sounds good in theory, but the problem is that the Cavs apparently tried to trade him and were underwhelmed by the offers they got in response. And honestly, none of us have any idea what that actually means specifically in terms of value, so rather than discussing trades themselves, every trade discussion would devolve into a dispute as to Sexton's actual value, which none of us know anyway.

If Sexton won't sign for a number that the Cavs think is acceptable, and they can't trade him for reasonable value, then why not just have the Drummond tryout here, while he's still with the Cavs? Just keep him instead of whatever underwhelming trade truly is available, and re-evaluate at the end of the season when he and his agent will be forced to face market realities. We can always re-sign him then if we so choose. And if he turns the corner here, great. We keep him them because he apparently does like it here.

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Too risky now that we have Mobley.

Plus, the organization already has a good idea of what Sexton brings to the table. There’s not much he can show them that he hasn’t already.

If they’re not comfortable with the number now, they’re not going to be any more comfortable with it in February.

It’s time to make a decision. No sense in having a lame duck eating up minutes/touches.

Derek said:

Him signing anything with us for less than $30M AAV would be a surprise.

He’s not signing up for Jarrett Allen money, guys. If that was even close to his number, this would be done. It’s high-end role player money.

Max deals are $40M+ per year and will be $50M+ in the next five years.

If you’re not willing to sign Sexton for $30M/year, you need to stop throwing out numbers because all you’re saying is that you’re not signing him. Come up with trade proposals instead.

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What I don't understand is that people have no issue what Allen signed but have an issue the amount Collin possibly may asked for.I like Allen but him getting pushed around on defense and him being the 4th or 5th option on this team shouldn't gotten the amount he recieved.Meanwhile,Collin been the best player on the team since the second half of his rookie season it's a problem that Collin want his money...

Then,people want to discredit Collin just because he didn't take a shitty roster to the playoffs the last two seasons.