Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

We have no idea what Sexton's reps are asking for in an extension. From what we've heard from our insiders Collin is less motivated by money than most players. I'd be shocked if he's demanding $30 mil/ season guaranteed and would strongly assume there's no way the Cavs give out that type of contract. At this point Mobley may potentially be the only guy on the roster who could make those types of salary demands in a few years.

I would guess the recent Rozier contract would be more of the baseline for a Sexton extension...that seems to be the going rate for scoring guards. We'll have a better picture by tomorrow night.

ansatsusha80 said:

What I don't understand is that people have no issue what Allen signed but have an issue the amount Collin possibly may asked for.I like Allen but him getting pushed around on defense and him being the 4th or 5th option on this team shouldn't gotten the amount he recieved.Meanwhile,Collin been the best player on the team since the second half of his rookie season it's a problem that Collin want his money...

Then,people want to discredit Collin just because he didn't take a shitty roster to the playoffs the last two seasons.

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I disagree, $20M is perfect for 4th/5th offensive option, who is a plus (but not great) on defense.

daytripper said:

We have no idea what Sexton's reps are asking for in an extension. From what we've heard from our insiders Collin is less motivated by money than most players. I'd be shocked if he's demanding $30 mil/ season guaranteed and would strongly assume there's no way the Cavs give out that type of contract. At this point Mobley may potentially be the only guy on the roster who could make those types of salary demands in a few years.

I would guess the recent Rozier contract would be more of the baseline for a Sexton extension...that seems to be the going rate for scoring guards. We'll have a better picture by tomorrow night.

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You’re in for a rude surprise if you don’t think Sexton is demanding $30+ million/year. That’s really not even that close to a max deal anymore. Heck, it wasn’t even the max when Love signed for that amount, and the cap has continued to rise in the years since.

For me the most important question about Sexton isn't "how much is a fair price?" Rather, it is "do you want him at any price?"

We all know he is an efficient scorer that requires high usage. I think most of us can agree that he is also a below average player in all other areas, most notably,: court vision, passing skills, defense in general, and basketball IQ.

Sexton's effort is exceptional and that is why I do not think he will ever learn to greatly improve his deficiencies. If he hasn't learned to block out, anticipate a screen, or play positional defense in three years with all the effort and time he has put in, I doubt it will happen. So the question for me is "do I want him to be part of the Cavs led by Mobley, Allen, and Garland. "

For me, --and I would love to be wrong and he becomes adequate in most areas--, I have seen enough and I would trade him for whatever I could get for him. He simply has not shown his over all game is a winning game.

My issue with extending Sexron is I don’t believe the current SexLand backcourt can or will work. So, if you re-sign Sexton then I assume you then look to trade Garland, ideally for a bigger lead guard. However, everything I’ve heard is that the Cavs love Garland would be less inclined to move him. That’s why I think they could look to trade Sexton, but only if the return is right.

One last thing, Collin & his reps will be looking for a significant payday. The Cavs are probably using Terry Rozier as a baseline wheras Sexton & his agent are likely looking at CJ McCollum. That would put him in the $24 million-$33 million range.

ansatsusha80 said:

What I don't understand is that people have no issue what Allen signed but have an issue the amount Collin possibly may asked for.I like Allen but him getting pushed around on defense and him being the 4th or 5th option on this team shouldn't gotten the amount he recieved.Meanwhile,Collin been the best player on the team since the second half of his rookie season it's a problem that Collin want his money...

Then,people want to discredit Collin just because he didn't take a shitty roster to the playoffs the last two seasons.

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Allen is clearly overpaid for what he is, but him making $20 mil per year is not nearly as damaging to intra-team dynamics (i.e. the pecking order) and the long term outlook than Sexton making $30 million per.

Allen is a rim runner and a garbageman. Yes, he would do the exact same job for $15 mil, (or even less) but on the other hand, he didn't transform into "The Guy" or the face of the team when he signed on the dotted line. There was no expectation that the Cavs would turn into to Jarrett Allen's club.

Sexton, though, is a ball-dominant (I'll just be polite and use that term) gunner and the closest thing the team had to a "young star" until Mobley came along. That brings some uncomfortable baggage with it. Make this dude by far the highest paid player on the team, and you're essentially handing the team to him. Sure they won't use those words, but... this is a league of perceptions.

sailfish said:

My issue with extending Sexron is I don’t believe the current SexLand backcourt can or will work. So, if you re-sign Sexton then I assume you then look to trade Garland, ideally for a bigger lead guard. However, everything I’ve heard is that the Cavs love Garland would be less inclined to move him. That’s why I think they could look to trade Sexton, but only if the return is right.

One last thing, Collin & his reps will be looking for a significant payday. The Cavs are probably using Terry Rozier as a baseline wheras Sexton & his agent are likely looking at CJ McCollum. That would put him in the $24 million-$33 million range.

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The problem is that the Bulls aren't giving up Alonzo Ball now and no one can name the other big lead guard who fits better with Sexton. If the Cavs wanted to try to build around Sexton, then they should've called David Griffin when Ball was on the market because no one is making an elite point forward available. Before anyone says Ben Simmons, the spacing would be irreparable.

foucault87 said:

Id do a frontloaded 5/125. Start at 30 and descent to 20

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And if you end up having to move him to the bench, or trade him, sooner rather than later?

Plus, the Cavs aren't going to frontload his contract with Love still on the books for two seasons. We'd be a tax team next year and could still be drafting in the lottery.

sailfish said:

My issue with extending Sexron is I don’t believe the current SexLand backcourt can or will work. So, if you re-sign Sexton then I assume you then look to trade Garland, ideally for a bigger lead guard. However, everything I’ve heard is that the Cavs love Garland would be less inclined to move him. That’s why I think they could look to trade Sexton, but only if the return is right.

One last thing, Collin & his reps will be looking for a significant payday. The Cavs are probably using Terry Rozier as a baseline wheras Sexton & his agent are likely looking at CJ McCollum. That would put him in the $24 million-$33 million range.

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I don't agree they trade Garland just because they extend Sexton. I would assume they only sign Collin if it's a fair market deal. It's smart business to lock in your assets at a good price. Gilbert has shown he will pay his players. Actually Collin on a fair market contract would likely have more future trade value than impending RFA Sexton. I'm basing that off recent trade values for other players that were either RFA's or in the season leading up to it.

Something people aren't contemplating is whether Sexton can continue to start and maintain last year's usage rate without impacting the development of the other players. Please spare me the revisionism about Sexton sharing the ball with others when they got hot. That wasn't a thing. Nothing about his numbers or play bare that out. He started passing a little more at the end of the season in uncompetitive games once the chatter about this being Garland's team started.

Heat Check said:

Allen is clearly overpaid for what he is, but him making $20 mil per year is not nearly as damaging to intra-team dynamics (i.e. the pecking order) and the long term outlook than Sexton making $30 million per.

Allen is a rim runner and a garbageman. Yes, he would do the exact same job for $15 mil, (or even less) but on the other hand, he didn't transform into "The Guy" or the face of the team when he signed on the dotted line. There was no expectation that the Cavs would turn into to Jarrett Allen's club.

Sexton, though, is a ball-dominant (I'll just be polite and use that term) gunner and the closest thing the team had to a "young star" until Mobley came along. That brings some uncomfortable baggage with it. Make this dude by far the highest paid player on the team, and you're essentially handing the team to him. Sure they won't use those words, but... this is a league of perceptions.

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You guys are taking alot of speculative guesses here. I would be shocked if they "by far" make him the highest paid player on the team.

CavsKermit said:

Something people aren't contemplating is whether Sexton can continue to start and maintain last year's usage rate without impacting the development of the other players. Please spare me the revisionism about Sexton sharing the ball with others when they got hot. That wasn't a thing. Nothing about his numbers or play bare that out. He started passing a little more at the end of the season in uncompetitive games once the chatter about this being Garland's team started.

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Again more projection here. How do you know this?

It's funny how efficient scorers on other teams don't go thru nearly the same type of scrutiny Collin faces here by the media and fans. It's like the old Browns QB debates. Fans of one player cheering for the other guy to fail. As Cavs fans we should be hoping they all pan out and improve even if it's for a future trade. I swear some of y'all want to deal Sexton for a ham sammich or just let him walk for nothing when that would clearly hurt the team in the long run.

Bridges is a better player IMO.

Heat Check said:

Allen is clearly overpaid for what he is, but him making $20 mil per year is not nearly as damaging to intra-team dynamics (i.e. the pecking order) and the long term outlook than Sexton making $30 million per.

Allen is a rim runner and a garbageman. Yes, he would do the exact same job for $15 mil, (or even less) but on the other hand, he didn't transform into "The Guy" or the face of the team when he signed on the dotted line. There was no expectation that the Cavs would turn into to Jarrett Allen's club.

Sexton, though, is a ball-dominant (I'll just be polite and use that term) gunner and the closest thing the team had to a "young star" until Mobley came along. That brings some uncomfortable baggage with it. Make this dude by far the highest paid player on the team, and you're essentially handing the team to him. Sure they won't use those words, but... this is a league of perceptions.

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I'd have agreed with this (and have even previously argued as much) if I hadn't bothered to look at the rest of the NBA's contract slots getting signed this last year. Short of a lock-out or massive loss of TV revenue, the NBA salaries are inflating exponentially. Jarret Allen signed what amounts to a "less-than Tristan Thompson 2016 offseason" contract.
On Sexton, I'm guessing the Cavs have a pretty good offer on the table, but not a near max deal, which is why he hasn't been extended. I'd guess the Cavs have him as $3-4 million more per year than Allen, Sexton's camp probably thinks it should be $6-8 million more.

I think Bridges could've gotten more next offseason tbh.
I don't know if he's better than Sexton but his archetype is definitely in higher demand in today's NBA.

Edit: I was hoping the Cavs could find a way to steal him from PHX. Sarver is a cheapskate but James Jones knows what he's doing down there.

daytripper said:

Again more projection here. How do you know this?

It's funny how efficient scorers on other teams don't go thru nearly the same type of scrutiny Collin faces here by the media and fans. It's like the old Browns QB debates. Fans of one player cheering for the other guy to fail. As Cavs fans we should be hoping they all pan out and improve even if it's for a future trade. I swear some of y'all want to deal Sexton for a ham sammich or just let him walk for nothing when that would clearly hurt the team in the long run.

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I don't know. Once Austin Car starts saying it was Garland's team live, on TV, during the games, it's pretty obvious. Also, efficient scorers on the other teams do face similar scrutiny when they're taking the most FGAs and have ridiculously high usage on 20-win teams three years running. People start looking at their advanced numbers and asking whether they're net positive before handing them the types of contracts their seeking. Not for nothing, but none of the GMs who handed LaVine, Booker, Wiggins, or Fox their contracts still have their jobs (and I have LaVine's contract as fair).