Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Benway]

Mikal worth a lot more than that he got the shaft in the name of contending.
But players taking discounts is not that bad of a play if winning a ring is in reach.
I don't see how Sexton feels that way on this team at all. He might buy in on
the future now that Mobley is here and take less than he could eventually deserve
as he enters his prime towards the end of the contract and worry about getting paid on his 3rd deal instead.
But he could just as easily not buy in at all with no proof etched in stone as to what this team can become.
I would not be shocked if they want him to stay more than people on here realize since it is so hard to get players who buy in and take a discount.

4/$120Mil a realistic offer? October 18th extension deadline is tomorrow, or he's going to be an RFA next year!

 

[ansatsusha80]

I'd sign Collin for 26M for 4 or even 5. I don't think he'd take it. 28 or 30 seems like too much. I think he should be paid as a 2nd option.

I think it is fine take it to RFA, and I think he is exactly the type of player you do that with. He is really good, but is a square peg and might not be tradeable at a high number even if he can score among the best.

He should get more than Allen,especially when Collin is the one you drafted. I think he's the third best player in his draft...imo

You just described a majority of this board’s posts. I’ll never understand the mindset that wants to see Collin fail, or Garland bust, or Okoro bust, or JBB get fired, or Koby get sacked, or … on and on. Seems like some combination of (a) posters unreasonably believing that every player on the roster needs to be perfect and (b) posters who are more interested in being proven right than in having their team win.

My only issue I have with people is that they shit on Collin way more than they should but rarely talk about the other guys when they fuck up. When,they do talk about it,it never feel like it's outright hatred but when it comes to Collin folks act like he did something to them.

Does Collin make mistakes,I agree but this fanbase and the media does it to another level...imo


As,for JB I understand,why fans want him gone because it feels like he doesn't do anything for the offense. It's mostly having Okoro or Collin camp near the three-point line while Allen is at the paint while Garland is near the three-point line dribbling the ball with hardly no movement...

I can't that disaster against Sacramento when he didnt even put pressure on the inbound pass and someone from the Kings made the game winning shot.

It seems like JB cares more about the defense than putting players in a good position on offense.

 

[Ozone]

4/$120Mil a realistic offer? October 18th extension deadline is tomorrow, or he's going to be an RFA next year!

I don't have a clue what they are thinking is realistic tbh since so much seems to depend on the realized potential of players drafted later and if they will eventually fit with him. He could play disgruntled if they bench him
though I guess after not agreeing. I think if they don't agree to anything and he is losing money in a lesser role. esp if he is not given usage reps or some crap it is not going to end well for the Cavs or him.
I think unless they have him in the starting 5 long term or want a 6th man of the year candidate then they won't offer enough to impress his agent, but anything is possible if the man really likes the direction of the team. I have him valued at 4 year 28,31,33,36 with trade kicker and all nba 5% bonus if achieved if they wait for him to get RFA offers and have to match after this season, assuming he plays better than last season yet again. I think right now an extension signed should be closer to 5 year 25,28,30,32,34 so about 5/150.
I would not think what he has proven on a bad team is indicative of what he will be able to do with better spacing, and defenders in the same rotation, so given that he may bet on himself using those new weapons to "earn" a much better paycheck than what is currently offered assuming it is closer to 5/125 because of their uncertainty of who else they will have to pay to keep etc.
Then they could anticipate he will take full advantage of said teammates and be well worth a near max extension and he will get paid in a lot of respects what will look like an overpay but turn out to be fair or better value.
I would have more confidence in him earning a near max deal and being worth paying based on his unknown future production if I knew how committed to everyone else they were, but I don't think they know, how could they at this point?
Now watch them sign him to 5/170 and this board go up in flames lol

 

[Benway]

I don't have a clue what they are thinking is realistic tbh since so much seems to depend on the realized potential of players drafted later and if they will eventually fit with him. He could play disgruntled if they bench him
though I guess after not agreeing. I think if they don't agree to anything and he is losing money in a lesser role. esp if he is not given usage reps or some crap it is not going to end well for the Cavs or him.
I think unless they have him in the starting 5 long term or want a 6th man of the year candidate then they won't offer enough to impress his agent, but anything is possible if the man really likes the direction of the team. I have him valued at 4 year 28,31,33,36 with trade kicker and all nba 5% bonus if achieved if they wait for him to get RFA offers and have to match after this season, assuming he plays better than last season yet again. I think right now an extension signed should be closer to 5 year 25,28,30,32,34 so about 5/150.
I would not think what he has proven on a bad team is indicative of what he will be able to do with better spacing, and defenders in the same rotation, so given that he may bet on himself using those new weapons to "earn" a much better paycheck than what is currently offered assuming it is closer to 5/125 because of their uncertainty of who else they will have to pay to keep etc.
Then they could anticipate he will take full advantage of said teammates and be well worth a near max extension and he will get paid in a lot of respects what will look like an overpay but turn out to be fair or better value.
I would have more confidence in him earning a near max deal and being worth paying based on his unknown future production if I knew how committed to everyone else they were, but I don't think they know, how could they at this point?
Now watch them sign him to 5/170 and this board go up in flames lol

We're at a pivot point Monday, though we may not know to where for a while.

 

[NMCav]

Mikal worth a lot more than that he got the shaft in the name of contending.
But players taking discounts is not that bad of a play if winning a ring is in reach.
I don't see how Sexton feels that way on this team at all. He might buy in on
the future now that Mobley is here and take less than he could eventually deserve
as he enters his prime towards the end of the contract and worry about getting paid on his 3rd deal instead.
But he could just as easily not buy in at all with no proof etched in stone as to what this team can become.
I would not be shocked if they want him to stay more than people on here realize since it is so hard to get players who buy in and take a discount.

Mikal is not worth more then that. He is a role player and he happened to get role player money. Bridges will never be the go to scorer who gets a max deal. He's gonna peak as at 15 PPG and play his role. This is the right amount of money someone with his skillset and upside should get.

 

[Derek]

Mikal is not worth more then that. He is a role player and he happened to get role player money. Bridges will never be the go to scorer who gets a max deal. He's gonna peak as at 15 PPG and play his role. This is the right amount of money someone with his skillset and upside should get.

I think Bridges’s contract looks good now, but will look great in two years.

He’s gotten noticeably better every single year since he first arrived at Villanova.

I don’t think it’s wise to put that ceiling on him.

 

[bs80]

I think Bridges’s contract looks good now, but will look great in two years.

He’s gotten noticeably better every single year since he first arrived at Villanova.

I don’t think it’s wise to put that ceiling on him.

IMO he gave them a discount to stay in a situation he liked. He'd have easily gotten more on the open market.

 

[weepinwillow]

I think Bridges’s contract looks good now, but will look great in two years.

He’s gotten noticeably better every single year since he first arrived at Villanova.

I don’t think it’s wise to put that ceiling on him.

Was saying this during the finals to a friend while we watched: I wonder if Mikal could eventually get to Middleton-lite level. He has the length, the height and the shot with an already high hoops IQ. He's well complimented by the Suns roster (or compliments well) where he really only needs to do what he's good at, but he keeps adding.

 

[CavsKermit]

You just described a majority of this board’s posts. I’ll never understand the mindset that wants to see Collin fail, or Garland bust, or Okoro bust, or JBB get fired, or Koby get sacked, or … on and on. Seems like some combination of (a) posters unreasonably believing that every player on the roster needs to be perfect and (b) posters who are more interested in being proven right than in having their team win.

No one wants to see any of our players fail. What we do want is a clear-eyed evaluation of our players' limitations before handing them a 5-year, $100M contract. I didn't want to see TT or Love fail, but I was unhappy the Cavs were stuck with two guys paid 200% of their market value taking up a disproportionate amount of the Cavs cap space once it became time for a change.

The Cavs need to stop overpaying guys like LBJ is still on the roster. He's not. They don't have the same margin of error anymore.

 

[CavsKermit]

I don't have a clue what they are thinking is realistic tbh since so much seems to depend on the realized potential of players drafted later and if they will eventually fit with him. He could play disgruntled if they bench him
though I guess after not agreeing. I think if they don't agree to anything and he is losing money in a lesser role. esp if he is not given usage reps or some crap it is not going to end well for the Cavs or him.
I think unless they have him in the starting 5 long term or want a 6th man of the year candidate then they won't offer enough to impress his agent, but anything is possible if the man really likes the direction of the team. I have him valued at 4 year 28,31,33,36 with trade kicker and all nba 5% bonus if achieved if they wait for him to get RFA offers and have to match after this season, assuming he plays better than last season yet again. I think right now an extension signed should be closer to 5 year 25,28,30,32,34 so about 5/150.
I would not think what he has proven on a bad team is indicative of what he will be able to do with better spacing, and defenders in the same rotation, so given that he may bet on himself using those new weapons to "earn" a much better paycheck than what is currently offered assuming it is closer to 5/125 because of their uncertainty of who else they will have to pay to keep etc.
Then they could anticipate he will take full advantage of said teammates and be well worth a near max extension and he will get paid in a lot of respects what will look like an overpay but turn out to be fair or better value.
I would have more confidence in him earning a near max deal and being worth paying based on his unknown future production if I knew how committed to everyone else they were, but I don't think they know, how could they at this point?
Now watch them sign him to 5/170 and this board go up in flames lol

That would surpass Love as the worst contract on the roster the moment it was signed. Sexton won't get that much as a RFA. The Cavs need to stop bidding against themselves. Allen didn't get more than the $100M over 5 the Cavs offered. John Collins didn't get more than the Hawks last, best offer. Drummond saved us from ourselves by turning down a $20M+ per extension. He's currently playing on the minimum. TT asked us for a max and then had to go sign for the MLE. This shit isn't Oprah. There's a market out there for Sexton and it's nowhere near those numbers.

 

[CavsFanJapan]

I mean i dont know Steph Curry personally, but I have a friend named Steph, and I love to eat Curry chicken, so thats close right?

Close enough. You got sauces

 

[LeeBuckeye]

“Collin is one of our first draft picks in this era,” Altman answered when asked about how the long-term contract talks with Sexton is going. “In terms of where we’re going, and we obviously want him around long term. I can’t get too deep into the discussions. But from an intangible standpoint, from the fact that he wanted to be in Cleveland, Ohio and help us grow this thing from the start, he’s gotten better every single year and at 22 years old, averaged 24 points a game on efficient shooting. He’s about what we want to be about — a gritty tough group that loves to be here and wants to push this thing forward. So I can’t say enough good things about Collin and his intangibles and what he brings to the table and what he wants to do here. So we’re working through it. But he knows that this is his home and we want to have him here.”

Koby Altman wants Sexton on the team but clearly not at the number Sexton and his reps want is the read I got which isn't new obviously otherwise a deal would've already been done. Not coming to a deal is somewhat risky because then Sexton either requests a trade or goes on a prove it tour which is risky on a young fragile team with a coach already in over his head. I think Koby is afraid Sexton will figure it out on another team and he'll look silly again without the added caveat of team culture reasons (KPJr). Koby said it himself, you don't see guys that young putting up those scoring numbers with that efficiency at the guard position, however he's also aware of his limitations (score first combo guard without the best game sense or situational awareness from a team concept). Maybe I'm wearing my tin foil hat but I believe a lot of the negative leaks about Sexton are teams trying to tank his value and sadly its worked.

Nevertheless, if Koby truly believes in Garland then he needs to trade Sexton and actually give Okoro a chance to breakout at SG (provided Windler/Lauri plays SF). Okoro may end up being a bust at his draft value but is defensively sound and you're at least creating some identity going into Year 4 of the rebuild.

 

[sailfish]

“Collin is one of our first draft picks in this era,” Altman answered when asked about how the long-term contract talks with Sexton is going. “In terms of where we’re going, and we obviously want him around long term. I can’t get too deep into the discussions. But from an intangible standpoint, from the fact that he wanted to be in Cleveland, Ohio and help us grow this thing from the start, he’s gotten better every single year and at 22 years old, averaged 24 points a game on efficient shooting. He’s about what we want to be about — a gritty tough group that loves to be here and wants to push this thing forward. So I can’t say enough good things about Collin and his intangibles and what he brings to the table and what he wants to do here. So we’re working through it. But he knows that this is his home and we want to have him here.”

Koby Altman wants Sexton on the team but clearly not at the number Sexton and his reps want is the read I got which isn't new obviously otherwise a deal would've already been done. Not coming to a deal is somewhat risky because then Sexton either requests a trade or goes on a prove it tour which is risky on a young fragile team with a coach already in over his head. I think Koby is afraid Sexton will figure it out on another team and he'll look silly again without the added caveat of team culture reasons (KPJr). Koby said it himself, you don't see guys that young putting up those scoring numbers with that efficiency at the guard position, however he's also aware of his limitations (score first combo guard without the best game sense or situational awareness from a team concept). Maybe I'm wearing my tin foil hat but I believe a lot of the negative leaks about Sexton are teams trying to tank his value and sadly its worked.

Nevertheless, if Koby truly believes in Garland then he needs to trade Sexton and actually give Okoro a chance to breakout at SG (provided Windler/Lauri plays SF). Okoro may end up being a bust at his draft value but is defensively sound and you're at least creating some identity going into Year 4 of the rebuild.

Good take and I agree. We all love Collin Sexton the competitor and the worker. He may be a little abrasive and perhaps not the best teammate, but, then again, not many teammates liked MJ or Kobe either. The problem here is that Collin is not MJ or Kobe. He's a pint-sized SG, not unlike Donovan Mitchell, but without the same level of explosion, scoring ability, or ability to lift others around him.

As much as they may not want to admit it, the Cavs need to decide between Garland & Sexton, as that backcourt pairing isn't working. I they re-sign Sexton then I imagine Garland would get moved. Maybe we'll know something within the next 24-48 hours.

 

[Ozone]

That would surpass Love as the worst contract on the roster the moment it was signed. Sexton won't get that much as a RFA. The Cavs need to stop bidding against themselves. Allen didn't get more than the $100M over 5 the Cavs offered. John Collins didn't get more than the Hawks last, best offer. Drummond saved us from ourselves by turning down a $20M+ per extension. He's currently playing on the minimum. TT asked us for a max and then had to go sign for the MLE. This shit isn't Oprah. There's a market out there for Sexton and it's nowhere near those numbers.

Dream on hate machine smh
He is easily worth starting guard pay over the course of his contract and nobody pays someone his age based on what they have done but on what they will do. You have no clue what you are talking about and if he keeps getting better which he will btw much to your chagrin I guess, despite your claims he would be a worse contract than an injury prone 5 time allstar

 

[Ozone]

Mikal is not worth more then that. He is a role player and he happened to get role player money. Bridges will never be the go to scorer who gets a max deal. He's gonna peak as at 15 PPG and play his role. This is the right amount of money someone with his skillset and upside should get.

Role player money is Cedi and Nance money Mikal is paid fringe starter money in todays NBA and he is underpaid for the level of two way ability he brings to the table at a position coveted as difficult to fill. Is he a 1st option deserving of a max nope, but to say he is overpaid or paid fairly only suggests to me you think his lack of handles make him useless or something. He is the epitome of 2nd or 3rd option on a contender as is and getting better.
The Cavs would trade Okoro and a unprotected first for him in a heartbeat