Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[NMCav]

Role player money is Cedi and Nance money Mikal is paid fringe starter money in todays NBA and he is underpaid for the level of two way ability he brings to the table at a position coveted as difficult to fill. Is he a 1st option deserving of a max nope, but to say he is overpaid or paid fairly only suggests to me you think his lack of handles make him useless or something. He is the epitome of 2nd or 3rd option on a contender as is and getting better.
The Cavs would trade Okoro and a unprotected first for him in a heartbeat

Funny you say that he's a 2nd or 3rd option on a contender. Because his first 2 seasons he was garbage offensively. Then Suns added CP3. And Bridges thrived on open looks playing next to CP3 Booker and Ayton. Bridges is a very good defender. But let's not pretend he's some kind of threat offensively. He is exactly what I said he was. A role player who knows his role.

 

[weepinwillow]

Could "playing for a giant payday" Collin top the single season USG% record of 41.65% by Russell Westbrook? Tied at #17 overall with a healthy 29.7% last year, he'd probably need to have Rubio and Garland see an unfortunate weight room "accident" and Kev Love will oblige with a season ender regardless. Still, 41.65% seems out of reach.

 

[Ozone]

Funny you say that he's a 2nd or 3rd option on a contender. Because his first 2 seasons he was garbage offensively. Then Suns added CP3. And Bridges thrived on open looks playing next to CP3 Booker and Ayton. Bridges is a very good defender. But let's not pretend he's some kind of threat offensively. He is exactly what I said he was. A role player who knows his role.

if you consider him a role player as opposed to a playmaker i think your definition is off base. Everyone plays multiple roles in the NBA or they don't get to play minutes on contenders. He is a high level shooter and defender not just a good one.
I also think his passing and bbiq are so much better than given credit until recently by everyone except for you i guess.
But yes he is not a threat off the dribble any more than Klay is

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

if you consider him a role player as opposed to a playmaker i think your definition is off base

He's literally got the lowest Usage rate while having the lowest Turnover percentage and 2nd highest Offensive Win Shares on the entire team after Chris Paul. He's got a lower assist rate than Frank Goddamn Kaminsky, you know, the other playmaker for the Suns.

Defining Role Player vs Playmaker is not something subjective that you can just barf words at and change the definition of.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Too risky now that we have Mobley.

Plus, the organization already has a good idea of what Sexton brings to the table. There’s not much he can show them that he hasn’t already.

If they’re not comfortable with the number now, they’re not going to be any more comfortable with it in February.

It’s time to make a decision. No sense in having a lame duck eating up minutes/touches.

As for trading him, we know that the Cavs tried to trade him pre-draft, and they apparently haven't made a move post-draft either because the offers weren't enough. So we can wish good offers into existence, but they just aren't there. Not now, anyway. But it is possible that there will be better offers at the deadline after current rosters get sorted out and teams have a better idea what they do and don't have, and what they may need.

Then there's the number. First, it's very possible that we'd be more happy with the number at the end of the season than we are now because it is possible that he improves. If that improvement is there, then perhaps a number we weren't willing to pay now we may be willing to pay at the end of the season. Alternatively, the number may go down if Sexton and his agent find out at the end of the season that nobody is willing to offer what they believe he should get. And we might be happier with that lower number.

Point is, given that the Cavs are not happy with the offers they received for Sexton over the summer, it seems that essentially giving him away at this point doesn't make a lot of sense. If you think that his presence is bad for Mobley, then you have him evaluated as a negative player and in that case, of course we should get rid of him. But otherwise, I think the chance of Sexton improving, the trade market improving, or Sexton being willing to accept less make it worth hanging on to him for now versus giving him up for very little.

 

[Cavatt]

If he and his agent are delusional about his value, you just take it to RFA. They can think the Cavs current offer is too low, but for all we know it is higher than any other team is offering.

John Collins was in he exact same spot last year and he played very well into the playoffs. If Collin has a similar year and plays well in playoffs/playin there may be a similar thing happen here.

How he fits with Mobley is a very big open question as he got hurt in preseason and has barely played. He tends to be slow starting so I am giving it 15-20 games

 

[LeeBuckeye]

 

[Lyuokdea]

4 year $105 million for Jackson Jr.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

4 year $105 million for Jackson Jr.

During that draft JJJ was my avatar before getting the 8th pic (Mikal was my next guy). Seems like he's barely played during his rookie contract lol.

 

[Derek]

As for trading him, we know that the Cavs tried to trade him pre-draft, and they apparently haven't made a move post-draft either because the offers weren't enough. So we can wish good offers into existence, but they just aren't there. Not now, anyway. But it is possible that there will be better offers at the deadline after current rosters get sorted out and teams have a better idea what they do and don't have, and what they may need.

Then there's the number. First, it's very possible that we'd be more happy with the number at the end of the season than we are now because it is possible that he improves. If that improvement is there, then perhaps a number we weren't willing to pay now we may be willing to pay at the end of the season. Alternatively, the number may go down if Sexton and his agent find out at the end of the season that nobody is willing to offer what they believe he should get. And we might be happier with that lower number.

Point is, given that the Cavs are not happy with the offers they received for Sexton over the summer, it seems that essentially giving him away at this point doesn't make a lot of sense. If you think that his presence is bad for Mobley, then you have him evaluated as a negative player and in that case, of course we should get rid of him. But otherwise, I think the chance of Sexton improving, the trade market improving, or Sexton being willing to accept less make it worth hanging on to him for now versus giving him up for very little.

I’m just telling you what I believe the right course of action is. I’m not trying to predict what our FO will do. Also, I never said a trade had to be immediate. Just that it needs to happen if they don’t ink an extension.

I stand firm that if the Cavs don’t sign him to an extension, then it’s a gigantic mistake to let him play out this season.

We already know who Sexton is and what he brings to the table. The FO does too. There’s nothing left to learn. Having a lame duck, high-usage guard trying to pump up his value while we attempt to build around another player sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Derek]

During that draft JJJ was my avatar before getting the 8th pic (Mikal was my next guy). Seems like he's barely played during his rookie contract lol.

Last year was rough. He was on the verge of breaking out before the bubble.

 

[NMCav]

During that draft JJJ was my avatar before getting the 8th pic (Mikal was my next guy). Seems like he's barely played during his rookie contract lol.

Seems like a steep contract to me. I get JJJ still has crazy upside and a unique skillset. But paying someone 26.25 M per based on theoretical upside at this point is bonkers to me.

 

[daytripper]

Seems like a steep contract to me. I get JJJ still has crazy upside and a unique skillset. But paying someone 26.25 M per based on theoretical upside at this point is bonkers to me.

These rookie extensions are based on potential. JJJ likely gets a much bigger extension if he had been healthy last season.

 

[Derek]

Seems like a steep contract to me. I get JJJ still has crazy upside and a unique skillset. But paying someone 26.25 M per based on theoretical upside at this point is bonkers to me.

He looked pretty special toward the end of 19-20 before the bubble.

Obviously, young guys get paid for potential. That’s nothing new. Still, we already know he’s a good player. It’s just a matter of how good he can get.

 

[NMCav]

He looked pretty special toward the end of 19-20 before the bubble.

Obviously, young guys get paid for potential. That’s nothing new. Still, we already know he’s a good player. It’s just a matter of how good he can get.

He still has massive flaws aside from just health. He can't rebound and has always had foul troubles. I am a huge fan of JJJ. But to me this contract is crazy. It could end up being a great deal. Or in a couple of years it could be the worst contract in the NBA.