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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%

  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%
  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
Lee said:
The game is still PG....2 or 3 wings....1 or 2 bigs.

We are throwing 3 bigs, none of our 7 foot starters are a wing, its going to be an issue

Sexton in no world is a PG, no Garland or Rubio would be a huge issue.

Sexton has value, but he is a scorer, i still think super sub scorer off the bench is his best position to utilize him the most and have his numbers actually contribute to winning. Sexton has skills, but he is still a ball stop.
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Saying Sexton is still a ball stop is a mistake imo and the exact reason why it is so difficult to take you seriously and those who agree with that take seriously.
He is passing a lot more now even though this stupid coach is insisting on him being a microwave and just because the fuckers out there with him who even now knowing he is looking for them still choke too much aint on him at all.
Some of you should really try to give him some damn credit and stop being so pro Garland or whomever else is better at keeping the ball on a string but cant do anything else consistently ever.
 
Rich said:
They brought in Rubio to be the second PG.

They still have to find a 3rd capable person who can run the offense.

It SHOULD be Sexton but I dunno if he's got it in him. But last night was a good example.

When Rubio shit the bed and with Garland out, they turned to Sexton. There's no one else.

And he's just in no way comfortable being the PG even for tiny stretches.

Needs to learn because right now he isn't a combo guard. He's an undersized shooting guard and that's gonna limit his ceiling.

He's not gonna grow 4 inches so this is what he can work on.

In a pinch, like last might, they need him to be a PG for small increments.
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I think we have just wasted so much time hoping his natural vision would come up instead of actively building up a playbook that he could run. We all know he doesn't have good natural vision but he is a hard workers and is apparently book smart. If we had a coach like Byron Scott and had a whole set of plays that he installed to be like bread and butter plays we ran, I'm pretty sure we would have Sexton at a level by now that he could run the offense for certain parts of the game.

I just want another GM and Coach so we can move in a different direction with development of all the players. I really have no idea what they are truly teaching all these players other than them just focusing purely on their strengths. I'm not sure we are really seeing any of our players weaknesses progression in a meaningful fashion.
 
inliner311 said:
I think we have just wasted so much time hoping his natural vision would come up instead of actively building up a playbook that he could run. We all know he doesn't have good natural vision but he is a hard workers and is apparently book smart. If we had a coach like Byron Scott and had a whole set of plays that he installed to be like bread and butter plays we ran, I'm pretty sure we would have Sexton at a level by now that he could run the offense for certain parts of the game.

I just want another GM and Coach so we can move in a different direction with development of all the players. I really have no idea what they are truly teaching all these players other than them just focusing purely on their strengths. I'm not sure we are really seeing any of our players weaknesses progression in a meaningful fashion.
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I literally just want him passing out of the double like he was last night, finding the open man. If he can do that, it is the same kind of "vision" that Kawhi and other guys who are simply passing off their gravity have.
 
Cavatt said:
I literally just want him passing out of the double like he was last night, finding the open man. If he can do that, it is the same kind of "vision" that Kawhi and other guys who are simply passing off their gravity have.
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He needs some simple plays that he creates the pass for a high percentage shot so he can turn to them when needed. I feel like he can make the right pass but if no one is knocking down those shots, he will revert to calling his own number. It's those bread and butter plays that will keep on the path to keep up those passes.

I feel like he makes passes but they are to the 3pt line and we don't have the shooters to keep his mind set on the right path. It's a balancing act when you have a player that likes to score as much as he does. 3pt shots are going to result in assists like 30-something percent of the time. There are a bunch of shots that the coaching staff could draw up so his assist could go up so he doesn't get down when guys keep missing.
 
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Cavatt said:
wow you didn't watch the game. He found the open guy on the perimeter repeatedly off penetration and they missed the shots. Literally missed 7 wide open 3s yesterday
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Wow, I did watch the game, and when he was playing point guard, not off guard, the lead grew, turnovers, ect. Rubio had 10 assists and they missed plenty of shots for him.

Those that hate Sexton, dont see the value of an instant scorer, bench or not, but those that have blinders on and think he can actually play PG really dont know basketball. He can distribute some, but about the level that any SG should be able to distribute, for sure he isnt a point, and for sure the ball has a tendancy to stick in his hands as pounds the ball.

And no, we arent doing Sexton any favors with our lineup. Allen and Lauri arent great passers and neither is a wing, Mobley is young, still learning, Okoro hasnt worked out as anything a no 3 and D wing at this point, Cedi is inconsistent. No 3rd pg, i am not saying Sexton is in a perfect position, but if you find shooters in rhythm, they will make the shot, this is not something Sexton is good at, its more than just throwing a shooter a ball, You act like the entire league is wrong on Sexton and you are the only one right.

Like I said, he has value, but not as a PG, not his position, he is an undersized SG with some, but not much distributing ability, but he can score, and scoring is a very important attribute to have.
 
inliner311 said:
He needs some simple plays that he creates the pass for a high percentage shot so he can turn to them when needed. I feel like he can make the right pass but if no one is knocking down those shots, he will revert to calling his own number. It's those bread and butter plays that will keep on the path to keep up those passes.

I feel like he makes passes but they are to the 3pt line and we don't have to shooters to keep his mind set on the right path. It's a balancing act when you have a player that likes to score as much as he does. 3pt shots are going to result in assists like 30-something percent of the time. There are a bunch of shots that the coaching staff could draw up so his assist could go up so he doesn't get down when guys keep missing.
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teammates missing is always why players like Sexton get ripped for trying to do too much alone even though it was always the better option when your teammates suck
 
He is a pg smh
Lee said:
Wow, I did watch the game, and when he was playing point guard, not off guard, the lead grew, turnovers, ect. Rubio had 10 assists and they missed plenty of shots for him.

Those that hate Sexton, dont see the value of an instant scorer, bench or not, but those that have blinders on and think he can actually play PG really dont know basketball. He can distribute some, but about the level that any SG should be able to distribute, for sure he isnt a point, and for sure the ball has a tendancy to stick in his hands as pounds the ball.

And no, we arent doing Sexton any favors with our lineup. Allen and Lauri arent great passers and neither is a wing, Mobley is young, still learning, Okoro hasnt worked out as anything a no 3 and D wing at this point, Cedi is inconsistent. No 3rd pg, i am not saying Sexton is in a perfect position, but if you find shooters in rhythm, they will make the shot, this is not something Sexton is good at, its more than just throwing a shooter a ball, You act like the entire league is wrong on Sexton and you are the only one right.

Like I said, he has value, but not as a PG, not his position, he is an undersized SG with some, but not much distributing ability, but he can score, and scoring is a very important attribute to have.
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he is a score first pg lol
 
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Ozone said:
teammates missing is always why players like Sexton get ripped for trying to do too much alone even though it was always the better option when your teammates suck
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But winning basketball is distributing the ball. You have to build as a team, if they miss the shot, you still need to find them open. You cant grow as a team or player going one on one all the time. No one can win a game by themselves consistantly...and Sexton needs to learn that.
 
Ozone said:
He is a pg smh

he is a score first pg lol
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He is a combo guard at best.

Look i think we should keep him unless we get a trade for a homerun wing. I keep saying Cam maybe and Ingram is my dream wing to come back. But i dont think it is likely, he is worth atleast 20 mill a year, but no where close to a max of 37 mill. He should be coming off the bench and handed the keys off the bench to scoring. It will be a punch instead of the kick in the balls our bench provides now.

The lack of wings is just huge, and sure i credit creativity, but Markkanen is not a starting SF and its hurting us trying to cover the 3 point line. I dont know the answer besides a better roster.
 
Lee said:
He is a combo guard at best.

Look i think we should keep him unless we get a trade for a homerun wing. I keep saying Cam maybe and Ingram is my dream wing to come back. But i dont think it is likely, he is worth atleast 20 mill a year, but no where close to a max of 37 mill. He should be coming off the bench and handed the keys off the bench to scoring. It will be a punch instead of the kick in the balls our bench provides now.

The lack of wings is just huge, and sure i credit creativity, but Markkanen is not a starting SF and its hurting us trying to cover the 3 point line. I dont know the answer besides a better roster.
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What are you basing this on?

In the Hornets game, I can't recall a single instance of Lauri getting individually burned on the perimeter. On the contrary, really. IMO he did a very good job. People ended up trying to shoot over him because they couldn't go around him. I'll take that 10 times out of 10.

Bridges and Oubre going off against us was 95% a failure of team defense. We had numerous mix-ups on switches and consistently gave up free corner threes off penetrations. That's down to communication, guys getting more experience playing together and of course, coaching.
 
Lee said:
He is a combo guard at best.

Look i think we should keep him unless we get a trade for a homerun wing. I keep saying Cam maybe and Ingram is my dream wing to come back. But i dont think it is likely, he is worth atleast 20 mill a year, but no where close to a max of 37 mill. He should be coming off the bench and handed the keys off the bench to scoring. It will be a punch instead of the kick in the balls our bench provides now.

The lack of wings is just huge, and sure i credit creativity, but Markkanen is not a starting SF and its hurting us trying to cover the 3 point line. I dont know the answer besides a better roster.
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How anyone can still think Sexton is a PG is beyond me. There’s just an absurd amount of evidence to the contrary.

You saying he might be a combo guard is being generous. He’s a pure SG (and a pretty good offensive one at that!). He and the team are at their best when he is allowed to play alongside an actual PG like Garland and Rubio.
 
inliner311 said:
I think we have just wasted so much time hoping his natural vision would come up instead of actively building up a playbook that he could run. We all know he doesn't have good natural vision but he is a hard workers and is apparently book smart. If we had a coach like Byron Scott and had a whole set of plays that he installed to be like bread and butter plays we ran, I'm pretty sure we would have Sexton at a level by now that he could run the offense for certain parts of the game.

I just want another GM and Coach so we can move in a different direction with development of all the players. I really have no idea what they are truly teaching all these players other than them just focusing purely on their strengths. I'm not sure we are really seeing any of our players weaknesses progression in a meaningful fashion.
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He's had 3 coaches (excluding Lue) all of whom have dumbed down the offense. It hasn't helped. If anything, it's made the Cavs as a team easier too defend.
 
Derek said:
I said we need wings, but we can’t have lineups without a PG!

A Sexton/Okoro backcourt would be a train wreck!
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I kinda think we could get away with it for stretches with as much horns action we've been running. I'm curious to see how a Sexton/Okoro/Cedi/Mobley lineup would look with either Allen or Markk. Mobley is such a good passer, I think you can run a lot of the offense thru him for stretches. It may not work, but I'm still interested to see it.

Also, I'm not hating what I've seen from Cedi so far this year, looks like he's got his shit together. I'm already over Markk starting at SF and ready to give Cedi another go there, or Windler if he ever gets healthy. I like Okoro coming off the bench for now, gives him an opportunity to develop his offensive game against reserves.
 
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