Game Thread | 2021-2022 Season | Game #18 | Nets @ Cavs | Nov. 22, 2022

Prof123 said:

Sure would love to take away those two points Durant got on that phantom foul earlier in the game.

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The first one? The second one? Or the third one?

This schedule is just rough. League is pretty solid all around this year it seems. I agree I’m looking to make a move instead of waiting for another pick. Who is that guy though?

I for one would much rather see heild shooting this threes than Okoro. Maybe we just need Cedi back.

Sir'Dom Pointer said:

Garland will need to figure out how to create and score when the other team takes his pnr away. Also improve his stamina.

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That's a huge thing for him. He had the nice second half the previous game against Brooklyn but it seems like he often has better first halves than second halves.

Also, you're right when talking about how poorly we set picks. I was watching Garland run some all the way around the baseline U shaped Steph Curry like action but literally none of the guys he went around were able to deter the guy chasing him so when he curled back up to the midpoint between the corner three and top of the 3P line 3, his man was still dead on him.

Curry(Korver back in the day) runs that kind of action and ends up getting around the last pick with tons of space for a catch and shoot three. It's a big expense of energy but it results in a great look. But since the picks/obstructions were so poor, Garland burnt a ton of energy just to end up with a defender still right on his hip.

MirORich said:

That's a huge thing for him. He had the nice second half the previous game against Brooklyn but it seems like he often has better first halves than second halves.

Also, you're right when talking about how poorly we set picks. I was watching Garland run some all the way around the baseline U shaped Steph Curry like action but literally none of the guys he went around were able to deter the guy chasing him so when he curled back up to the midpoint between the corner three and top of the 3P line 3, his man was still dead on him.

Curry(Korver back in the day) runs that kind of action and ends up getting around the last pick with tons of space for a catch and shoot three. It's a big expense of energy but it results in a great look. But since the picks/obstructions were so poor, Garland burnt a ton of energy just to end up with a defender still right on his hip.

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The best actions we ran was with Ed screening for Love and Lauri in the first half. He freed them up completely. We have no other screener. It ducks up the offense.

I don't want to freak people out about Garland.

I actually like some of the things I've seen from him. More aggressiveness. Shooting more 3s. I think like he could be the 4th, maaaaybe 3rd best player on a good team.


But as opposed to some big 3rd year leap, so far, it's more like a small, tiny step.

His numbers are very, verrry close to last season's, across the board.

Better efficiency, approaching that coveted 60%TS territory BUT


Still can't get to the FT line, still has a poor assist to TO ratio, and still, for a guy who is touted as having elite vision, has fairly average assist numbers.

And still a minus defensive player.


My comp for him right now is Jameer Nelson at or near his best. Which was a pretty solid player and the 4th best player on a contending team. And it's a different league, more geared towards 3 point shooting guards than it was then for Jameer. SO that helps.

If we can take the suns game and beat Orlando I’ll be happy

Sir'Dom Pointer said:

The best actions we ran was with Ed screening for Love and Lauri in the first half. He freed them up completely. We have no other screener. It ducks up the offense.

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Even though they are both pencil thin, it is something that both Mobley and Allen are going to have to learn to do/commit to doing, but without throwing their hips into the defender and getting the offensive foul. Davis isn't huge but he is wider/more girth than those two and seems to know how to use his width to set a proper screen/pick

Garland's lack of stamina really shows on fast breaks. Comes down the court full sprint and then doesn't have the legs for his jumper.

Takes defensive possessions off and just can't keep up with his assignment at times

Rich said:

Make a longer post about it later but I don't wanna be one of those teams just always waiting for the next lottery pick and THEN it'll be time.

Mobley and Allen are a core two guys.

I'd be more than ok with Koby taking a major league swing based on what we've seen these first twenty games to help those two guys out. Risky, yes, but think about how many prime time players small market teams have wasted.

I'd be ok with taking a big risk and moving a bunch of pieces and picks if the deal became available.

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Garland is a core guy lol. He's already an above average starter as a 21 year old. Even if he never develops into a star (though I believe he can), that doesn't mean he's not a core piece going forward.

I agree Garland can't handle the workload. Pangos must play.

All4One1ForAll said:

Garland is a core guy lol. He's already an above average starter as a 21 year old. Even if he never develops into a star (though I believe he can), that doesn't mean he's not a core piece going forward.

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He's actually not. He's like right on the money average.

I'm not trying to piss people off about Garland because I Know people love the kid but as of right now he's essentially a Dennis Schroeder level player.

Not necessarily a bad thing at 21. But that's an average starting point guard.

Just for fun, go look up Cole Anthony's numbers.

Would oyu be surprised to know he's having a better season statistically?

Does that make you feel better/worse about Garland?

Futuredome said:

I agree Garland can't handle the workload. Pangos must play.

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If Pangos can't play then bring up Kyle Guy.
It's so ridiculous to have non players such as Tacko and Pangos filling up the bench when they have bodies such as Guy and Justin James who are suiting up next door for the Charge. They are going to physically wear down a few guys by the All Star Game.

Well, Garland and Rubio combined for 40. That’s good until you see it took them 800 shots to get there.

I realize we are still beat up, but damn, you can’t keep putting yourself in position to win and then letting it slip away. Feels like the opponent can always get the look they want when it counts, meanwhile we’ve got the wrong guy taking shots or the right guys taking the wrong shots.

Need to find a way to start closing these games out or I’m worried we start seeing the effort slip and fall back into the trap of accepting losses. It’s easy to keep the team together when you are winning. I’d rather not string together too many more losses and see what happens.

Rich said:

He's actually not. He's like right on the money average.

I'm not trying to piss people off about Garland because I Know people love the kid but as of right now he's essentially a Dennis Schroeder level player.

Not necessarily a bad thing at 21. But that's an average starting point guard.

Just for fun, go look up Cole Anthony's numbers.

Would oyu be surprised to know he's having a better season statistically?

Does that make you feel better/worse about Garland?

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How do you have that as a better season statistically?

Worse in FG%, 3P%, TS%, FT%

Sightly better A/TO ratio, better rebounding, and 2 more FT per game.

Scoring more because he's taking 3 more shots per game, but at best similar seasons, Certainly not better.

Garland shouldn't be a team's main offensive threat. But he's forced into that right now. To me, if he reaches his peak, its as an efficient 18/9 guy, like almost 50-40-90. Thats who he is - makes other guys better, picks his spot when to attack. He had the hurt ankle early on, but I thought we saw some glimpses of that earlier - the Hornets, Raptors, Knicks game come to mind. They need another creator, otherwise there are going to be a lot of games like this with Sexton out.