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Game Thread | 2021-2022 Season | Game #24 | Jazz @ Cavs | Dec. 5, 2021 | 3:30 p.m.

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Yeah right. JBB had nothing to do with the fact that Cedi, Lauri, Okoro & co suddenly decided to take the game into their own hands with Garland and Allen sitting.
Ah, so the coach is solely responsible for everything that goes wrong, but not at all responsible for anything that goes right.

What a dogshit line of reasoning.
 
One of two things should have happened before that 17 seconds left play

We should have subbed in Love for Allen or Cedi for Allen to space the floor and put Utah in a position where even if Garland got to the rim, he would have had a wide open shooter he could kick to if Gobert collapsed

Allen served no purpose in that final play.

You could have subbed Mobley out as well and come back with Cedi, Love and Mark and forced Gobert to recover to one of them off the Garland or Rubio drive

Either way, a sub was needed there that at the very least took Allen off the floor
Yeah we needed floor spacers out there, Allen being in the game allows them to collapse on the drive.
 
Steve Kerr isn't even that great.

Jackson was a clown about some stuff but he helped develop that team who was super young and then got shitcanned early. Had he not been fired and allowed to coach Curry and Klay's prime years, it would have been similar to what it looked like. The point of this is not that Mark Jackson is a great coach. It's that Steve Kerr is massively overrated.

You're hot taking this like their has been some Sunday drinking or some lost money gambling going on.

So MUCH positive to focus on in this game from the players and coaches and this season as well. And instead go thinking that that coaches can and will grow into the team, as well as help the team grown, in a multi year fashion, with some growing pains, like the path ALL other winning non super teams follow, you're making this early JBB is trash and will never be good enough, like he's just some babysitter and not a dude who's been around and coaching basketball his whole life.

Quinn is a good coach for sure. But has also had some DISAPPOINTING playoff runs. AND has CONTINUITY. The the of continuity that allows you to create an identity and scheme and then continue to stack more and more on top. We are in the very beginning of that phase and JBB is doing the right thing by focusing on the core and simple basics of what that identity is. If given the chance to have that type of continuity, that will grow and expand as well. If not, some other coach, hopefully a good one as well, will benefit a LOT from the work JBB has put in with this group.
Kerr is so overated even Walton look good Coaching that team when Kerr was out…..
 
Idk if people are going to say Okoro had a good game because he had a wrap up on Mitchell that didn't end up in us gaining possession anyways and he hit a wide open three during that run we made, but to me, it's absolutely frustrating how much he's hurting us out there. Do people understand how bad it is that your starting SG can only manage to go 2/9 from the floor when literally nobody is guarding him? Like to the degree his man is essentially just standing in the paint and clogging driving lanes for Garland or rim rolling lanes for Allen/Mobley.

Imagine if we had an even just a league average SG out there in place of Okoro? Someone who could do more offensively than clank open threes or give the ball back after being passed to?
I think the result would be the same unless the SG was a genuine two-way player. DG/IO/LM is not going to score as much or as easily, but if you replace Okoro with someone that can't defend then they bleed points instead.
 
Kerr is so overated even Walton look good Coaching that team when Kerr was out…..
I'm not saying Kerr is bad; just that he's overrated. Steph and Draymond run that team, on and off the court. They've both been there doing that for 10+ seasons.
 
Yeah Kerr is overrated

IBWT is just passionate about JBBs successor. I agree, JBB isn't the answer, but he's a damn good demo coach because he's building the kids up. Unfortunately, he just can't coach himself out of a brown paper bag some nights. He presses the wrong buttons.

I posted if Cavs pull this win out tonight, JBB is a great coach. Some wrong buttons were pressed surely. I hope he eventually learns to adjust and do it quicker. He also should've kept Cedi out there the whole game and not Rubio. But Rubio has earned all of his respect. Cedi had a monster momentous type of quarter. He pulled that.
 
Sure…..let’s bitch at the coach waaaaa waaaa tough loss but a good loss is the ducking jazz not the pistons

"Good loss"? I can see the positives but I dont subscribe to the idea that a good loss exists. I'm glad you can celebrate such a great loss though.

I forgot the coaches failures were off limits? Does it hurt your feelings or something?

People bitch about coaches, players, and all kinds of things after losses. I am frustrated with our coach and have been the entire year for multiple reasons. I have also strongly defended him multiple times and I can definitely point out his plusses and minuses.

Tonight was a minus. I can live with a loss but I hate that we didnt put ourselves in a position to succeed in the final play.
 
One of two things should have happened before that 17 seconds left play

We should have subbed in Love for Allen or Cedi for Allen to space the floor and put Utah in a position where even if Garland got to the rim, he would have had a wide open shooter he could kick to if Gobert collapsed

Allen served no purpose in that final play.

You could have subbed Mobley out as well and come back with Cedi, Love and Mark and forced Gobert to recover to one of them off the Garland or Rubio drive

Either way, a sub was needed there that at the very least took Allen off the floor
Maybe he was using Allen for a lob or tip in. That has actually been our most reliable offense.
 
9/30 from 3 point range for everyone except Garland. I'm confident we can shoot better. It's not like we saw a fatal flaw for the 10th time.

Good game. Good comeback. Bring on the Bucks.
 
Ah, so the coach is solely responsible for everything that goes wrong, but not at all responsible for anything that goes right.

What a dogshit line of reasoning.
Don't put words in my mouth, bro.

All I said was that giving JBB credit for the comeback is silly. I like JBB a lot but he did nothing to create that run. It was all energy plays and intensity by the dudes on the court.
 
I think the result would be the same unless the SG was a genuine two-way player. DG/IO/LM is not going to score as much or as easily, but if you replace Okoro with someone that can't defend then they bleed points instead.
Okoro wasn't even doing anything defensively. He got lit up by Mitchell and he had a bad three point foul and another bad foul in the final couple minutes on a pump fake when Mitchell had nowhere to go. People here really overrate his defense. Acting as if it comes anywhere close to making up for how bad his offense is is simply mind boggling.
 
Really could of used a better shooting SG today. 2/7 is about 30%, not awful, but Okoro was so wide open. I am not saying Okoro isnt the future, but needs to work on that shot if he wants a future witht his team. No coincidence the comeback happened Osman who was 4/7 and 2/5 from 3.

Utah is one of the 4 best teams in the league, tough loss but against a very good team and we played our hearts out and you wont win them all. Just shows how improved we are, but still have work to do.
 
I'm not saying Kerr is bad; just that he's overrated. Steph and Draymond run that team, on and off the court. They've both been there doing that for 10+ seasons.

He may be overrated but he instituted a system where those guys had the freedom to let their talents show and he can call a hell of an ATO play.

I don't need Gregg Popovich here. I just need a guy who can execute when the game is on the line.

Ty Lue could barely get his dudes up to play for a game that wasn't important but Ty can draw up one HELL of an out of bounds play.
 

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