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Cedi Osman Goodbye & Good Luck
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Actually when Ricky comes back, starting makes more sense, with Osman being mainly a 3, Levert a 2-3, Rubio a 1-2 (defense he can play 2), Wade a 3-4 and Love a 4-5, his shooting and driving might be perfect starting, if Wade is healthy, give him first crack, but the +/- numbers of Okoro cant be ignored, team plays well when he is on the court, plus Okoro will need time as a defensive player off the bench.
If we ever get 100% healthy, minutets will be tough to find for some.
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cedi has like zero playoff experience...21 minutes in one game....could throw up bricks like herro .
its only nine games but levert was fukn money.
no way i take cedi over caris going into the post season...no chance....in fact...i take levert over herro ....leverts numbers are arguably the same as his indy stats especially if you take into consideration his better defensive rating.
i like this guy off the bench 25 minutes split between the 2 and three...whereas cedi is only good for the three.
unless cedi has some sort of newfound revelation after six years in the league...i dont even know why caris or cedi is even a discussion
Good take, if caris signs for the same amount he's earning now, then it's fair. Cedi just gives more value for the dollar.
I was coming here to point out Cedi’s incredible +/- and advanced stats. It’s striking but matches the good feeling he’s been giving on the court. Kind of a new thing this year for him to be so good in those metrics, so wondering how much of it is a fluke or situational, but like I said it matches the eye test…
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Whomever starts in the post season needs to be able to reliably hit a three or opposing teams will live or die with leaving them open and pack the paint. If you're debating between Cedi or LeVert as a starter, you better be exploring plan C options.
The reason you trade LeVert is because he's basically injury insurance on this roster, he's going to want too much money for that role, and he's on an expiring contract. Now if Rubio isn't back by the deadline, or is back but has a ways to go, maybe you hold onto him and hope to S&T him this summer. But his trade value is only going to further decline if you extend him and his minutes get cut. Teams like the fact he's expiring.
who cares about levert next year.....the cavs care about this year and no way should anyone think that rubio coming off his second ACL is going to be more valuable to the team than caris.
wouldnt surprise me at all if levert is the most valuable player coming off the bench come the playoffs consistently throwing up 30 min/game
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I'm a huge fan of the Rubio signing, but you hit the nail on the head. I'd love to see Rubio pick up right where he left off, but I don't believe it's going to happen this season. I'm sure his hoops IQ will mask the knee offensively, but defense will rely on how well he trusts that knee. I just want 80-90% Ricky at a physical perspective by the playoffs. Even that might be wishful thinking.
In the context of the post you're replying to, I believe that maximizing assets is always important. As a life-long fan of this team, I obviously care about their success this season, but I also care deeply about this franchise beyond just this season. If there's a deal out there involving LeVert that may hurt us a little this year but improves our chances the next few years, I'm absolutely considering it.
I understand that you're not a Cavs fan but that you are particularly high on them this season, and have put your money where your mouth is. And for what it's worth, I do appreciate the love for our boys. But I'm guessing that the majority of us on this board are tempering our expectations for this particular season, yet have gigantic hopes and dreams for the next half decade or so given how young our core dudes are. I don't think LeVert has shown enough to make us confident that he is a core piece going forward. And if that means he may walk next offseason, then I'm all for exploring what we can get for him before the deadline.
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Exactly this.
But it's really all about next year -- the expectation is to start to contend next year and the year after. Obviously we want to do as well as possible this year but we have to be doing our planning over the next couple of years, at least through the time that Mitchell's contract runs out. So the question of whether we bring Caris back and at what cost is front and center. If we aren't going to bring him back or cannot pay what it takes then frankly it's better to trade him now even if it makes us a little worse this year.
next year is next year...this year is this year
for all the cavs know is that myb lebron comes back for one more year...the bottom line is this...without levert the cavs have no shot at the ecf....you simply cannot replace a guy who is going to give you 12 at the two and 12 at the three and is in all likelihood not going to throw up herro bricks in the playoffs
and then you take into the injury angle.....kd/kyrie, williams/brogdon, harden/embiid, brook and possibly middleton...this year could be as good as any and thats why the alpha dog/masters-of-the-universe gilbert is all out on social media telling everyone the cavs are ready to deal.....the 25th richest man in the world is ready to pay what it takes
20/1 nba winner?....10/1 ecf?......great price...both should be great free-rolls come april