Emphasis on power, generating XBH in relation to how the offense would be different. I took it as a license to hunt (Brantley transformation is a good example). I thought it was a poor one for this group in general.
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You're right. Gimenez is the best SS of the bunch. Arias and Rocchio would also be very good.
I just tend to think Andres is locked in. Like, it would've been optimal to have Jose play 2B, but we ended up sticking him at 3B. Andres will have played 2B at a gold glove level for nearly two years after this season. They probably just leave him there.
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I don't think Rocchio or Freeman are good enough at SS to justify it just because Gimenez has been good at 2B. I'd hate to get stuck into a Rocchio SS / Gimenez 2B situation until 2028 just because "Gimenez has already been there for X years", then for 5-6 consecutive seasons we end up with an inferior defense rather than just going through the growing pains for a short bit of time.
Gimenez is no Amed. He's on contract for a while, so the change should be made sooner rather than later if we decide that Rocchio/Freeman are the answer to the remaining MIF piece. Otherwise, Arias would be the SS while Gimenez plays 2B.
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I'm not sure why you're low on Rocchio. He's a hell of a shortstop and definitely isn't in a similar tier to Freeman.
The only reason to shift Andres off second is if Freeman wins the job next to him. If you have a good SS like Arias or Rocchio, then just enjoy the elite MIF duo. The tiny bit of min/maxing isn't worth shaking a human being's confidence. Eliminate the bad variables when you can.
Hell, with the shift eliminated, and all the left-handed pull hitters, you might have to be a better fielder at second anyways.
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Gilligan got them shipwrecked.
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We'll see about that...
23 errors in 111 games between 2022 and 2023. Put him in 150 games and he's at 31 errors, way more than the league winner last year.
He's been considerably better at 2B in that respect, probably a lot because he has the shorter throw.
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Jose strikes out to end the threat.
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The only thing stopping Rocchio is, he doesn't have the strongest arm in the world, otherwise he has been a MLB shortstop for awhile defensively.
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What do you call a MLB shortstop who has trouble making throws?
Answer: an MLB second baseman
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We shall see, but he's going to get a shot at SS in due time.
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Again I'm not really getting in the business of predicting here. I do think if he gets action this year it'll be more at SS but if we decide he's our guy he and Gimenez should swap places in the offseason unless some drastic improvements happen.
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The more 99 struggles, the more I get the sense that he will be one of the 2 guys sent down to AAA once Civake & TMac return to MLB action.
Cal Q to the bullpen & Gaddis to the bullpen/ back to the minors.
Logan T Allen & Tanner Bibee have pitched well enough to remain in the big leagues at this point..
Cal Q to the bullpen & Gaddis to the bullpen/ back to the minors.
Logan T Allen & Tanner Bibee have pitched well enough to remain in the big leagues at this point..
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Quantrill isn't going to the bullpen...
One of Allen/Bibee will end up at Columbus when those two are back and healthy.
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Have to disagree.
Not suggesting Cal to the pen is the 1st move but of the 5 current starters, Csl is in the bottom 2 performers (& I am a fan of his).
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Just like how Bibee wasn't getting called up because he was behind so many others in the sportscoach pecking order?
(I'm not sure we don't see a six man rotation for a bit... or one of the top 6 moved to piggyback Civale/TMac until they're in a groove)
I really hope we start seeing some trades happen. SP logjam, MIF logjam, expensive go-nowhere vets in Amed, Zunino and Bell... the front office has work to do.