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2019 Browns Rant Thread

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Imagine a world where we keep Zeitler and instead of getting Vernon we make a play for Von Miller which was a small offseason rumor depending on where you get your news from. DEN is finished.

 
Bob_The_Cat said:
I don't know. There haven't been a lot of positives to build on concerning Baker and the offense in general. When guys are getting open, Baker isn't seeing them or hitting them.

As someone else noted last night, with the way the Rams run and scheme routes, they literally always had someone open. Fully acknowledging this could be a result of the injuries in the secondary. That being said, it seems all year Browns WRs have struggled to create separation, whether that's due to play design, play calling, or execution, I don't know.

The point is, after three games Baker has 3 tds, 5 ints, is only completing 57% of his passes, and has been sacked 11 times. That's really bad. Not sure how much positive you can pull from that. He's currently getting sacked 9.2% of the time he drops back to pass. That's kind of amazing. Sits in the bottom 3rd of the league in QBR.

After looking like a top 10 QB last year, Baker's performed as one of the worst QB's in the league for the first three weeks. Chubb has been the sole bright spot on the offense when he gets the ball. That just hasn't happened consistently.
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There is a lot to dig into here. First I'd like to start with the positives: the Rams have an explosive offense and the Browns held them to 20 points. I'd take that if the team was fully healthy... so holding the Rams to 20 with the backups playing defensive back positions is impressive. Juston Burris was out of a job last week and starting at safety this week. Wilks managed to put heat on Goff and still bottle up the run. Let's not forget how well the defense played Sunday night.

In the 2018 season, Baker got on a roll once those max protect formations were put in place. Under Todd Haley, Baker was taking too many hits and looked rattled against the Steelers. So far, Monken and Kitchens are falling under the same temptation. With pass protection this bad, especially from the pressure off the edges, tight ends and backs need to stay in and keep the pocket clean. I am not excusing Baker making wrong decisions, but fans have already seen what works and what doesn't work. Too many quarterback hits early in the game turns into missing wide open receivers later. The fourth and 9 draw was a bad choice, but the offense looked bad all night.
 
Los216 said:
You know I was just thinking that Patty Mahomes doing discount double checks with Aaron Rodgers and putting Heinz ketchup on his steak would really be his downfall this year.

Im looking forward to Myles Garrett falling off a cliff because he was in his birthday suit in the ESPN Body issue and he also became the new leader of the NFL Waterboys Foundation. Should’ve been spending more time in July going over the NFL rulebook.
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They should be more like Payton Manning who won 2 super bowls and became an all time great QB because he never, ever did a commercial.
 
col63onel said:
They should be more like Payton Manning who won 2 super bowls and became an all time great QB because he never, ever did a commercial.
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Ba-ker-needs-less-commer-cials

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col63onel said:
Ba-ker needs less com-mer-cials

Need an extra beat in commercials
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Brad Paisley disagrees. Funny because he was invited to a training camp last season and Baker is a huge fan of him.
 
Los216 said:
You know I was just thinking that Patty Mahomes doing discount double checks with Aaron Rodgers and putting Heinz ketchup on his steak would really be his downfall this year.

Im looking forward to Myles Garrett falling off a cliff because he was in his birthday suit in the ESPN Body issue and he also became the new leader of the NFL Waterboys Foundation. Should’ve been spending more time in July going over the NFL rulebook.
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Some guys can handle the off the field stuff (Peyton Manning comes to mind), others cannot (Johnny comes to mind).

Regardless if this is the reason or not (clearly I didn't say it was 100% certain) you can't deny that Baker has certainly regressed. Only a fool would deny that.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
I don't know. There haven't been a lot of positives to build on concerning Baker and the offense in general. When guys are getting open, Baker isn't seeing them or hitting them.

As someone else noted last night, with the way the Rams run and scheme routes, they literally always had someone open. Fully acknowledging this could be a result of the injuries in the secondary. That being said, it seems all year Browns WRs have struggled to create separation, whether that's due to play design, play calling, or execution, I don't know.

The point is, after three games Baker has 3 tds, 5 ints, is only completing 57% of his passes, and has been sacked 11 times. That's really bad. Not sure how much positive you can pull from that. He's currently getting sacked 9.2% of the time he drops back to pass. That's kind of amazing. Sits in the bottom 3rd of the league in QBR.

After looking like a top 10 QB last year, Baker's performed as one of the worst QB's in the league for the first three weeks. Chubb has been the sole bright spot on the offense when he gets the ball. That just hasn't happened consistently.
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You can honestly say Mayfield did nothing well against the Rams? You act like he failed at everything and missed every throw, he didn't. There were some solid drives where he played well enough to win, problem is that type of play wasn't sustained, and they failed to put it together in the red zone.

I agree things need to change and Baker needs to make some serious adjustments. But to portray his play as being something close to absolute failure is ridiculous.
 
Tough schedule out the gate, minimal pre-season action, several new guys........expected. Things could get worse before they get better.
 
They will lose against the Ravens and it will not look good. I see no reason to believe anything will change going into that game against that particular defense.

I’d think at this point you probably have to go back to nearly the identical offense Baker was used to and suddenly have him get his confidence back out of nowhere. Because right now it’s gone and that’s the worst thing that can happen to a QB. I don’t see any reason to believe that it’s fixable right now.

I don’t necessarily think the guy’s career is over, but I think all of the things that are wrong are not fixable in the middle of a season for a second year QB who has lost his confidence with a first year coach who is also losing his confidence with an offense that is missing key players.

This is a season that has 6-10 written all over it and the next concern is that OBJ starts chirping about Baker and Freddie. I’d give that about 3-4 games.

They do have an easy schedule coming up, but they have things fundamentally wrong with the two most important spots on the roster where they’re used to the most significant turnover. We’ve seen this game before.
 
The Oi said:
They will lose against the Ravens and it will not look good. I see no reason to believe anything will change going into that game against that particular defense.

I’d think at this point you probably have to go back to nearly the identical offense Baker was used to and suddenly have him get his confidence back out of nowhere. Because right now it’s gone and that’s the worst thing that can happen to a QB. I don’t see any reason to believe that it’s fixable right now.

I don’t necessarily think the guy’s career is over, but I think all of the things that are wrong are not fixable in the middle of a season for a second year QB who has lost his confidence with a first year coach who is also losing his confidence with an offense that is missing key players.

This is a season that has 6-10 written all over it and the next concern is that OBJ starts chirping about Baker and Freddie. I’d give that about 3-4 games.

They do have an easy schedule coming up, but they have things fundamentally wrong with the two most important spots on the roster where they’re used to the most significant turnover. We’ve seen this game before.
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After all the mustaches, shotguns, tweets and Hulu ads, Baker frankly looks ridiculous right now. I agree he looks rattled and skittish in the pocket. Like a mix of Jeff Garcia and Doug Petersen.
 
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