2019 NBA Draft Lottery

[dark2332]

I disagree. The Cavs are, clearly, rebuilding and in asset accumulation mode. If they know the guy they want can be had at a later spot, why wouldn’t you trade down??

There's a difference between "being the guy they want" and saying "we have 3 ranked similarly, let's trade down and we get one of the three."

In one scenario, perhaps it makes more sense. In the 2nd, you are passing on someone for the sake of getting more draft capital.

The reason I have a problem with it fundamentally is--if you have #4, #5, and #26--you already have plenty of draft capital and shots in this draft. At some point, it's no longer ideal to trade away from top end talent.

 

[inliner311]

There's a difference between "being the guy they want" and saying "we have 3 ranked similarly, let's trade down and we get one of the three."

In one scenario, perhaps it makes more sense. In the 2nd, you are passing on someone for the sake of getting more draft capital.

The reason I have a problem with it fundamentally is--if you have #4, #5, and #26--you already have plenty of draft capital and shots in this draft. At some point, it's no longer ideal to trade away from top end talent.

There could be a scenario to where by trading out of the spot you are taking guys off the board that you don't want or are lower on your board. I wouldn't advocate for taking lower guys to pick up draft assets but if the Cavs aren't high on Garland or Culver and those are who they get calls for from the Suns, Hawks, and Bulls then trade down and control the draft. So if they are equally as high on Reddish, Hunter, and White then they are going to come away with two of them plus addition draft capital. There is a real possibility that they could find out who the 3rd team is high on from trade talks and work the other trades to get their 2 top guys and maybe somewhat lesser assets.

 

[I'mWithDan]

We still have other picks in this draft (#26).

In my opinion, it's extremely difficult to devote the time, resources, and attention required to develop 3 lottery guys. Not to mention court time and simultaneous contract situations.

I think you take your top two--the one's you really truly believe in versus settling for one of them--and then we can grab a project or a stash player later in the round with that other pick.

I'd feel much better knowing that we took our shot at the top two players that our front office identified.

If we pass on someone higher on our board in a trade down--and that guy ends up better than the guy we took--that was a poor move.

We literally just hired a guy who's hallmark is player development.......and now we are saying we don't want him to have too many players to develop? #26 you just sell for Cash.....it's not a meaningful asset in the grand scheme of things....especially if you can exit with (3) top 10 picks.

Again, I don't know what strategy the Cavs employ ranking players but if it is a larger pooled / tiered system, teams always want quantity of tier (if that is the ranking strategy you believe in).

The point of tiers is to broadly assess groups of players and give yourself more options in the draft. Consider how you can extract additional value, wether it is to trade down from where you are, trade in to a tier with an additional pick, etc. A true tier is just that......a group of players that are similarly rated. If you think one player is significantly better than another, in the same tier, you've done a bad job establishing tiers.

I'm not advocating for trading away a chance at a player in a higher tier, I'm advocating for taking 8 and 10 if Garland is the player you truly want at the top of the draft. That's a smarter use of assets to me......to give him two additional players to grow and develop with vs. 1.

 

[benchplayer]

Terry Pluto has an interesting article on the possibility of Kevin Love being shipped to New Orleans for the #4 pick with other pieces involved. Griff supposedly loves Kevin and has a close relationship with him off the court. Here’s a possible 3-way deal:

ATL: #4 pick
CLE: #8 & #10 picks, additional protections on 2020 pick owed to Atlanta
NO: Kevin Love

Additional players, like Solomon Hill going to Cleveland, would need to be involved to make the trade work under the salary cap.

I'd have to say hell naw on that one! The reason being is that Kevin is better than anyone we can pick at those spots in this draft. Yeah, I get it Kevin love is a bit injury prone, but he is still an all-star and a double-double machine. I'd cut ATL completely out and start with Cleveland getting the #4 while keeping our #5

 

[avs2000]

We literally just hired a guy who's hallmark is player development.......and now we are saying we don't want him to have too many players to develop? #26 you just sell for Cash.....it's not a meaningful asset in the grand scheme of things....especially if you can exit with (3) top 10 picks.

Again, I don't know what strategy the Cavs employ ranking players but if it is a larger pooled / tiered system, teams always want quantity of tier (if that is the ranking strategy you believe in).

The point of tiers is to broadly assess groups of players and give yourself more options in the draft. Consider how you can extract additional value, wether it is to trade down from where you are, trade in to a tier with an additional pick, etc. A true tier is just that......a group of players that are similarly rated. If you think one player is significantly better than another, in the same tier, you've done a bad job establishing tiers.

I'm not advocating for trading away a chance at a player in a higher tier, I'm advocating for taking 8 and 10 if Garland is the player you truly want at the top of the draft. That's a smarter use of assets to me......to give him two additional players to grow and develop with vs. 1.

I think the beilien hire meant this is going to be a very young team. I look for three picks tomorrow night

 

[NMCav]

I think the beilien hire meant this is going to be a very young team. I look for three picks tomorrow night

I am guessing we end up with 3 first round picks and buy a 2nd round pick to get a 2-Way player.

 

[benchplayer]

There could be a scenario to where by trading out of the spot you are taking guys off the board that you don't want or are lower on your board. I wouldn't advocate for taking lower guys to pick up draft assets but if the Cavs aren't high on Garland or Culver and those are who they get calls for from the Suns, Hawks, and Bulls then trade down and control the draft. So if they are equally as high on Reddish, Hunter, and White then they are going to come away with two of them plus addition draft capital. There is a real possibility that they could find out who the 3rd team is high on from trade talks and work the other trades to get their 2 top guys and maybe somewhat lesser assets.

Here is my problem with the Cavs trading down to 8. What if the Cavs draft board goes like this for example:

Redish (not saying this is the case) = top of board

everyone else the Cavs are just OK about

that means that the 3 teams in between #5 and the Cavs can rob them of the player that they really wanted. Idk, I feel like they should do whatever it takes to land the player/s that's highest on their board

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

Here is my problem with the Cavs trading down to 8. What if the Cavs draft board goes like this for example:

Redish (not saying this is the case) = top of board

everyone else the Cavs are just OK about

that means that the 3 teams in between #5 and the Cavs can rob them of the player that they really wanted. Idk, I feel like they should do whatever it takes to land they player/s that's highest on their board

Agree. Because otherwise you are being pretty arrogant to decide that you have figured out that player is the best guy but no one else could possibly think the same thing.

 

[Futuredome]

All quiet on the western front

 

[mrWalrus]

I want at least two of the following; Sekou, Jaxson, Rui or Goga.
Get it done Danny!

 

[Green Lantern]

All quiet on the western front

Quiet ?Memphis just traded Conley to Utah..

 

[Ozone]

Quiet ?Memphis just traded Conley to Utah..

probably meant with the Cavs

 

[FrontPageNews]

I’d love to see a draft day deal for Steven Adams. He’s a monster. 25M and 27M the next two years wouldn’t kill us we’re not spending that money anyway. Our defense would improve greatly and he’s got a good offensive game.

 

[rastamon87]

I’d love to see a draft day deal for Steven Adams. He’s a monster. 25M and 27M the next two years wouldn’t kill us we’re not spending that money anyway. Our defense would improve greatly and he’s got a good offensive game.

Rumor out that he may be available as OKC wants to shed salary... Imagine him setting screens for sexton

 

[sailfish]

I’d love to see a draft day deal for Steven Adams. He’s a monster. 25M and 27M the next two years wouldn’t kill us we’re not spending that money anyway. Our defense would improve greatly and he’s got a good offensive game.

I would definitely be interested in Steven Adams. Somewhat amazingly, he’s still just 25 years old. This seems like a fair trade:

To CLE: Steven Adams, Dennis Schroeder, Andre Roberson, Hamidou Diallo, & a future 1st round pick
To OKC: Kevin Love, JR Smith, & John Henson or Tristan Thompson