2019 NFL Draft: Day 1 Discussion

[I'mWithDan]

You think he will?? The only thing I remember watching Bush play, was how he used to disappear or get injured in big games. Maybe he will be a huge stud...but I'm not sure it was a wise investment for an off the ball linebacker.

I'm not sure how much you watched of him if that is your 3 year assessment.

B1G DPOY, Consensus AA, tough as nails, great football IQ. He's a good college producer with elite athletic measureables. His best football is in front of him.

Last 2 years:

Florida - 5 solo, 3 ast, 3 TFL, 2 sacks
MSU - 4 solo, 4 ast
Wisconsin - 1 solo, 6 ast, .5 TFL, INT
OSU - 2 solo, 3 ast
Notre Dame - 3 solo, 3 ast, 1 TFL, 1 sack
Wisconsin - 1 solo, 3 ast, 1 TFL, 1 sack
MSU - 2 solo, 2 ast, 1 TFL, 1 sack
PSU - 4 solo, 3 ast
OSU - 3 solo, 3 ast

So that's the 9 biggest games they played the last 2 years.....he had 6.5 TFL, 5 sacks.....that is disappearing, for someone who played a lot inside as a college LB? What makes Bush really special, out of all the athletic college LB's I've seen is he is not only an elite closer but he has great read and react skills to pair with it. He can diagnose a play via keys and then close on the ball with explosion but remain under control, unlike most players. Typically LB's have one or the other (FBIQ or Elite Athleticism)....it's rare to find LB's who have both.

Average combine weight for LB's was 236 this year. The NFL is trending to smaller, quicker players and I think it makes sense, given how teams attack on offense. You just have to sacrifice some size to get faster.

I hate Pittsburgh but they have a really good track record of developing LB's. If they like Bush that much, it would be surprising if he isn't very good in their system.

 

[Jordan]

Greedy Williams, Byron Murphey, and Justin Layne are my favorite corners available.

Greedy is the best press coverage cornerback in the draft. He's played strong against NFL receiving talent. I am confident that he will be a long-time NFL starter. He overwhelms receivers at the line of scrimmage and can keep up with any straight-line route. He is not a great off-coverage player, mainly because of his hip versatility, which is my only real concern.

Byron Murphy may be the best corner in the draft, but, he is small and has similar weaknesses to Ward. Murphy is absolutely the best zone guy, though.

Layne is another great coverage guy. His big weakness, imo, is stopping guys at the LOS.

Rock Ya-Sin does not have great top-end speed when he is on the field. He allows a lot more first downs than the other top guys, and overall, I do not know that he'll be an NFL starting corner. He can play press man, but, I am worried a bout his ability to play in any sort of zone coverage. What is good, though, is that his floor is pretty high. End of the second, early third, though, and I'd love the pick.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I read this and think "who the hell is this guy - never heard of him". I mean Rock Ya-Sin, not @thedarkness2332.

I go read some blurbs, then am about to post here about how he'd be a great pick. Then I realize that I still don't know jack shit about the guy except what I read in some other dude's write-up, which makes me spectacularly unqualified to have worthwhile opinion.

So, uh...I really have nothing to contribute.

That is all.

He looks really good in coverage. Kinda has that ability to always be a yard behind the WR ready to cut in front if the ball is thrown. I've seen comparisons to Desmond King. I think he plays like Antonio Cromartie if Cromartie were a worse athlete. I like Rock as a second CB, but he doesn't really stand out to me--none of the CB's in this class do.

 

[Triplethreat]

I read this and think "who the hell is this guy - never heard of him". I mean Rock Ya-Sin, not @thedarkness2332.

I go read some blurbs, then am about to post here about how he'd be a great pick. Then I realize that I still don't know jack shit about the guy except what I read in some other dude's write-up, which makes me spectacularly unqualified to have worthwhile opinion.

So, uh...I really have nothing to contribute.

That is all.

I mean all you really need to know is the dudes first name is Rock - that’s kinda badass so +

His last name is Ya-Sin, so he’s Asian? I’ve never once seen a good Asian at DB..... major -

He played for Temple... neutral

And.... welp that’s all I got didn’t really get anywhere with this.

Based on the Asian thing I’m gonna say pass on this man.

 

[DJTJ]

Huh. "If the cards take Kyler one, he won’t make it to his second contract." is one doozy of a typo then.

I think it’s spot on for what I said.

It’s not a talent thing. The Cards have a borderline expansion team offensive line. It’s actually offensive.

 

[col63onel]

Spitballing here

I think Hubbard and GRob are gone after this season. Campen is so well regarded. Greg Little is a high upside tackle that needs to be coached up. Drafting, "redshirting" him for a year, then having him ready to play in 2020 is very enticing. A 3rd might be too early for a guy you don't plan on playing for a year, however we did just basically do that with Corbett.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Spitballing here

I think Hubbard and GRob are gone after this season. Campen is so well regarded. Greg Little is a high upside tackle that needs to be coached up. Drafting, "redshirting" him for a year, then having him ready to play in 2020 is very enticing. A 3rd might be too early for a guy you don't plan on playing for a year, however we did just basically do that with Corbett.

I think there's a chance Hubbard and Robinson aren't our starting tackles to begin this season, let alone finish this season, let alone start in 2020.

Tackle is probably #1 on Dorsey's board.

 

[FiveThous]

Does winovich project as a DE or LB? He's intriguing to me.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Does winovich project as a DE or LB? He's intriguing to me.

I think he's best suited as a 4-3 DE, but could play 3-4 OLB if needed.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Best pick:

Chargers getting Jerry Tillery at 28

Worst pick:

Oakland taking Clelin Ferrell at 4

Biggest head scratcher:

Seattle taking LJ Collier at 29

 

[Triplethreat]

Best pick:

Chargers getting Jerry Tillery at 28

Worst pick:

Oakland taking Clelin Ferrell at 4

Biggest head scratcher:

Seattle taking LJ Collier at 29

I think the Skins has the best round 1

Getting Sweat as late as they did and not having to move up to get Haskins.

I mean that worked out incredible for them.

 

[blommen]

Best pick:

Chargers getting Jerry Tillery at 28

Worst pick:

Oakland taking Clelin Ferrell at 4

Biggest head scratcher:

Seattle taking LJ Collier at 29

Worse than Daniel Jones at 6? I guess you could make the argument that while Ferrell is almost assuredly going to be a far better player, there were still a lot of EDGE Rushers available with more upside and the the QB class apart from Kyler isn't great so whichever one you pick at 6 is probably not going to be that good.

 

[MGMT]

Honestly Gettleman needs Jones to sit a year just for the sake of preserving his job status; if he isn’t on the field, you technically can’t demonstrate he was an atrocious pick.

 

[Randolphkeys]

At this point we can all assume Archie Manning has an authenticated photo if Gettleman getting fucked by a horse, right?

 

[Douglar]

Players I like specifically for the Browns at 49.

Greedy Williams
Julian Love
David Long
Nassir Adderley
Chase Winovich
Blake Cashman
Justin Layne
Amani Hooker
Juan Thornhill

Would be cool with any of these guys.

There are a couple of WRs I like as well, but that’s such a luxury pick at this point that I’m leaving them off.

It seems that there's enough talent on the board right now that the Browns won't feel like they have to burn their 3rd or a 4th round picks to move up 10-15 spots in the second round.

But if turns out that 5th round pick lets Dorsey move up 5-7 spots to guarantee good talent at LB or DB? I could see that. I could also see the Browns package up all of the 5th rounds for someone near the end of the 3rd round if there's still good linebackers on the board.