2019 Series #41 | Indians @ Mets | August 20th, 21st, and 22nd

[Joe Charboneau]

With our schedule, where we were early in the season, and the way the Twins are juicing their asses off, I don't think the WC game is a colossal failure, especially if we find a way to win it this time.

You think they are juicing huh? Are they going to set a MLB record for hrs? Or on pace for it?

 

[Stark]

You think they are juicing huh? Are they going to set a MLB record for hrs? Or on pace for it?

I think Nelson Cruz is juicing personally, but so are a lot of guys around baseball.

They're going to absolutely demolish the MLB record for HRs this season.

 

[BMAN]

Well that’s not what you wanted.

 

[Stark]

I said awful, not 'completely awful'. Sadly, for professionals making millions of dollars, you're really only as good as your last xxx. The front office should have seen the trend forming and sold.

Clayton Kershaw is the greatest pitcher of this generation and is widely considered a massive choker in the postseason (4.32 ERA; 1.09 WHIP). His postseason ERA is actually a fair bit worse than Kluber's.

Are you saying the Dodgers should have also given up on Kershaw and sold him too?

 

[Joe Charboneau]

I think Nelson Cruz is juicing personally, but so are a lot of guys around baseball.

They're going to absolutely demolish the MLB record for HRs this season.

Thats ridiculous. Its not like they have the 95 Tribe lineup, or you know, the 27 Yankees. Their pitching is shit though and they will get exposed bad in the Playoffs. Those kinds of teams always do.

 

[Joe Charboneau]

Didnt Kluber have a back injury for part of that Yankees series? At least game 5. I still roll with him in a big playoff game over Plesac, Civale( who i like) and god forbid Plutko..

 

[Stark]

Thats ridiculous. Its not like they have the 95 Tribe lineup, or you know, the 27 Yankees. Their pitching is shit though and they will get exposed bad in the Playoffs. Those kinds of teams always do.

Yeah, there's some good hitters in that lineup for sure, but outside of Nelson Cruz and Miguel Sano, they don't have too many guys that you look at and think "power".

They've got eleven guys with double digit home runs, and six of those guys (Cron, Sano, Garver, Rosario, Cruz, and Kepler) have 20+.

It's insanity.

 

[mrWalrus]

Clayton Kershaw is the greatest pitcher of this generation and is widely considered a massive choker in the postseason (4.32 ERA; 1.09 WHIP). His postseason ERA is actually a fair bit worse than Kluber's.

Are you saying the Dodgers should have also given up on Kershaw and sold him too?

Yes. And I would have been correct there too.
Sorry if that's weird for some of you to understand, but you take your profits when you can and cut your losses when you notice a down turn - in stocks it's called technical analysis. I guess it's my stock trading background, and not nostalgia laced fandom - I only root for the name on the front of the jersey. This team needs to operate as if it were the most shrewd hedge fund manager on wall street.

 

[Stark]

Yes. And I would have been correct there too.
Sorry if that's weird for some of you to understand, but you take your profits when you can and cut your losses when you notice a down turn - in stocks it's called technical analysis. I guess it's my stock trading background, and not nostalgia laced fandom - I only root for the name on the front of the jersey. This team needs to operate as if it were the most shrewd hedge fund manager on wall street.

Thanks for your response.

I disagree, but appreciate you being civil in the debate.

 

[AZ_]

Yes. And I would have been correct there too.
Sorry if that's weird for some of you to understand, but you take your profits when you can and cut your losses when you notice a down turn - in stocks it's called technical analysis. I guess it's my stock trading background, and not nostalgia laced fandom - I only root for the name on the front of the jersey. This team needs to operate as if it were the most shrewd hedge fund manager on wall street.

Relying on the small sample size of the post season to judge a players stock is like reading ESPN the Magazine to predict the Dow.

 

[mrWalrus]

Thanks for your response.

I disagree, but appreciate you being civil in the debate.

I love this board. I've been 'here' since before it was 'here' (I forget the name of the board before this but there was a lot of us who transferred over). Anywho, I love all the takes and never want to attack my Cleveland brethren, but some days shit boils over and you just have to have some hot takes of your own.

 

[Stark]

Relying on the small sample size of the post season to judge a players stock is like reading ESPN the Magazine to predict the Dow.

Yeah, this is my view. Postseason success/failure really isn't a big deal-breaker for me on any player unless it's somebody like Jeter that went to the postseason pretty much every year of his career and performed well.

When you've got a player as talented as Kershaw or Kluber, you assume that they're going to keep up their typical performance and assume the risk of an aberration / bad outing on the biggest stage.

Kluber pitched like Kluber should in all three of the series in 2016. He had an aberration of his usual performances in both 2017 & 2018. It happens. Two bad starts in October doesn't make me dump off a Cy Young guy any more than two bad starts in April would. Sucks that it happened in October, but that's just the way it is.

 

[mrWalrus]

Relying on the small sample size of the post season to judge a players stock is like reading ESPN the Magazine to predict the Dow.

Then here's a quote from trading you should know: 'From failed moves, come fast moves'

Again, this really only makes sense if you're charting an equity, but it mostly means, if a stock doesn't move above/below a 'target line' (based on TA) it typically fails and fails hard. I know humans aren't stocks, but there has to be an 'opportunity cost' factored in to having a starting pitcher who already won two Cy Young's for you. Not everyone is going to win 500 games.

 

[EdMonix11]

How does that make it any different than any other day here?
Mercado shitting the bed set me off and I felt like posting. If that bothers anyone, sorry.

FWIW, I wasn't singling you out.

Every time the Indians lose, it's Tito's fault or shoulda traded this guy or shouldn't have traded that guy or the Indians only went on this run because of an easy schedule. Blah blah blah.

I get it, it's frustrating sometimes.

Just wanted to clarify I wasn't singling you out.

 

[mrWalrus]

FWIW, I wasn't singling you out.

Every time the Indians lose, it's Tito's fault or shoulda traded this guy or shouldn't have traded that guy or the Indians only went on this run because of an easy schedule. Blah blah blah.

I get it, it's frustrating sometimes.

Just wanted to clarify I wasn't singling you out.

I didn't take it that way, but I had the hottest takes tonight and they're in NYC so I thought I'd expound.

I enjoy this team, even if Puig is auditioning for a NY-level contract. Tito is the best manager we've had in 70 years and we have a real chance at having a fun October. I'm sure Mercado feels bad about tonight, but as someone who is also underemployed, I feel some pain, too. (and... I've been drinking most of the day)