2020-2021 Cavs Season General Discussion

[FrontPageNews]

Stop winning god damnit

 

[FrontPageNews]

Dan Gilbert is in the entertainment business. He wants to put a good product on the floor, not crap.

Oh that must be why his teams never made the playoffs without lebron.

 

[inliner311]

I guess i don't understand tanking in a deep draft year. Shouldn't better players be available further down the draft board?

Shouldn't you theoretically be tanking harder for a weak incoming draft class and not as much for a strong one?

The new odds make it more likely that a few teams can jump up and push our draft position down. If it's a deep draft we should be trying to secure to get a tier 1 or tier 2 player as a worse case scenario. The years that a draft are deep should be the years you tank so you have the highest odds of picking up a difference maker. It doesn't help if we again fall out of the top tiers. It's an avoidable situation this year vs other years though.

 

[Rich]

I guess i don't understand tanking in a deep draft year. Shouldn't better players be available further down the draft board?

Shouldn't you theoretically be tanking harder for a weak incoming draft class and not as much for a strong one?

Yea that's kinda what I thought lol.

Last year was the year to tank for Zion.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

How does it make the club easier to sell?

I'm not sure. Less paperwork? Gund owned 15%, so just less people involved.

 

[wildfan]

I keep thinking about a line from a old country song.

When it seems like I'm winning, I'm really loosen again.

 

[2 For The Brew]

I'm not sure. Less paperwork? Gund owned 15%, so just less people involved.

Buyer agrees on price with majority owner. Minority owners can sell or hold; either way majority owner won’t care that much. Paperwork is done by lawyers and accountants but the additional cost for minority owners is trivial.

If Gilbert was actually going to sell then he’d have the new buyer purchase Gund’s shares. Gund would probably prefer to wait and get a higher price from a new owner.

 

[Benway]

I keep thinking about a line from a old country song.

When it seems like I'm winning, I'm really loosen again.

Geezer alert! Sundown by Gordon Lightfoot.

 

[Sebastian]

Put me in the camp of "trying to win", vs "trying to tank".

I WANT to watch the Cavs, I WANT to watch the youngsters grow and develop, I WANT to watch victories.

If they are tanking, I'm NOT watching. Why would I.

Not all wins are equal. It may not be applicable this year, but sometimes a player in the Draft is worth losing a few games over.

Theoretically, would you lose a few games to get much better odds at a Doncic type player (not saying that is the case this year)?

 

[Sebastian]

We're going to lose plenty of games regardless of who we put on the floor. I'm not worried at all about being "too good" after some of the performances I've seen this year.

I don't know. Some teams are tanking so hard that they would make Heinz Guderian blush.

The Cavs are trying to win games when a few others are fielding G-League level teams.

They should be stripped of their picks and forced to give the Cavs their best player.

 

[cabs]

So why do they play Cedi over stevens

 

[ryanf]

So why do they play Cedi over stevens

if prince continues his good play, he might ride the bench soon

 

[Futuredome]

I don't know. Some teams are tanking so hard that they would make Heinz Guderian blush.

The Cavs are trying to win games when a few others are fielding G-League level teams.

They should be stripped of their picks and forced to give the Cavs their best player.

Oh come on, the Cavs have been playing with guys out all the time. It's not our fault the Hornets were depleted and Prince had a stupid hot night which won't be repeated soon. I suspect guys will be down tonight and again Saturday.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

if prince continues his good play, he might ride the bench soon

What the Cavs need most for next season, IMO, is the player that Taurean Prince was last night - a 6'7" wing who can knock down 3's and also attack the rim and finish when he has a lane. Prince is also a good passer and gets steals on defense. We need that big, athletic wing who can put up 25 points on only 13 shots along with 4 rebounds, 3 assists, a steal and a block. IOW, a wing who can play the entire game, not just offense or defense, who can score efficiently and also contribute on the glass, on defense, and passing the ball.

If Prince could bring last night's game every night we wouldn't have to be concerned about our draft position. But since he's in his fifth pro season it's not likely he has suddenly transformed himself into Jayson Tatum.

However, it looks like he's been working on his 3-point shot. Coming into this season he was a 36.6% shooter. In 12 games with Brooklyn he was at 35.1% - no change. But in 25 games with the Cavs he's hitting 42.2%, which is a significant increase over his career average. I'm wondering if he can maintain that or if it's just a temporary hot streak. He's hit 43 of 102 with the Cavs.

His 2-point shooting with the Cavs is way down at 37.2% against a career average of 45.2%. I don't know what's up with that.

If the Cavs can draft a guy who does every night what Prince did last night they will be in great shape next year.

All of us are young and proving we still have more than just another step, we have multiple steps to go, it’s really exciting to see where this team can go and just how far we can get. - Jarrett Allen, 4/15/21

 

[CavsFan07]

Not all wins are equal. It may not be applicable this year, but sometimes a player in the Draft is worth losing a few games over.

Theoretically, would you lose a few games to get much better odds at a Doncic type player (not saying that is the case this year)?

The top of this draft is absolutely loaded. I think Cunningham/Mobley/Green/Suggs all have the makings to turn into complete stars.

That's why I've been pushing for the tank lately. Someone said in another thread "doesn't it make less sense to tank in a deep draft?"... and the answer is no ---- not if the top 3-4 are a fairly big gap away from the next tier.

I think as long as we're in the top 5 picks we are golden because even Kuminga has a very high ceiling but needs polishing. EDIT... I'm fairly high on Scottie Barnes so even the top 6 I'd be happy with... but 1-4 is clearly the best draft position with those 4 definitely above the next tier.

We start slipping to the 7,8,9,10 picks then you might see the Cavs reach for someone because of "fit" instead of potential (Corey Kispert comes to mind and it makes me sick to think about).